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Old 05-22-2013, 11:03 AM   #1
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"Miracle" inner barrel

So, a recently release into the airsoft world is the "Miracle" inner barrel.

Here is a link: Hit Targets at 250 Feet With This Barrel | Popular Airsoft

I'm just informing you guys that my local shop is ordering some in all different lengths then they are going to test them, with R-HOP, without it... compare it to top of the line inner barrels and see if they're worth it.


I will post tested results as well as a youtube video (more than likely, not guarenteed) once they come in.
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Not a bad thing...... but they don't say much about the guns they are shooting.

What is the hop up set at? Is it a standard hop up, er hop, r hop or what?

Not really enough info on the barrel, though would be great if you can get 250 feet with a .28 bb in a 350fps AEG. Can you imagine the possibility of that barrel ina 550 fps sniper rifle :D:D
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Yes I can imagine, and yes I want to imagine. But I'm hard pressed to think they can make something so effective. People have been squeezing out every iota of capability since airsoft started. To think suddenly we'll get this big jump in performance is unlikely. Most importantly, they don't have a builder. We here at ASF have the builder. lol.
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"Most importantly, they don't have a builder. We here at ASF have the builder."

Here, here!
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Myself and the store ordering them are both very skeptical, they only ordered 4. They are going to test in the 509mm length. Can't wait to see the results, but again... Very skeptical. If it could give this kind of range to an AEG at 350-400 fps.... Sniping would be almost eliminated unless the sniper had this barrel.


Can you imagine, just completely showing up the market like that? Like "hey, if you don't have a 'miracle' barrel, you're going to have a hard time..."

THAT is the reason I feel it won't stand up to the hipe, but hey, we can dream, right!?
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Sniping would be almost eliminated unless the sniper had this barrel.
That is completely not true. We are not real steel snipers, we are airsoft snipers. We do not use the range to our advantage, rather we use stealth. If my enemy had 300ft of range and I had 100ft, I could still do my job as a sniper. It's important for us not to forget that.

I'm interested in seeing the results. I can't imagine these barrels will be any better than what we have now.
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I'm not really gonna believe this until I actually can have some background on how it would even do this. The lack of details makes me skeptical. Juggler, I agree that stealth should be a larger part of our advantage, but range is pretty damn important too. Not saying you cant do well without a lot of range, but its kinda taking away the "Sniper" aspect of it. You should give range a bit more credit, without it, theres not much of point in calling ourselves "snipers".
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That is completely not true. We are not real steel snipers, we are airsoft snipers. We do not use the range to our advantage, rather we use stealth. If my enemy had 300ft of range and I had 100ft, I could still do my job as a sniper. It's important for us not to forget that.

I'm interested in seeing the results. I can't imagine these barrels will be any better than what we have now.

Yes, Concealment is a big part... BUT concealment + range is what really makes us a sniper. If we don't have range on the assualting force, You're going to have an extremely tough time doing anything. I personally prefer to opperate on my maximum effective range. Gives me the greatest chance of not being spotted.

If everyone had the same range, we'd all be going to an automatic AEG... It would be moronic to run a bolt or semi auto ONLY weapon when there is absolutely zero advantage... It would just be pure stubborness.
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Seems they use a metal insert to push the bb to the roof against the hop up mound...



Also, they decided to go for a 6.06mm diameter...Could this be the end of the super-tight barrels?
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The one thing they might have done and I have been kicking around is a stepped barrel. Basically you have 6" or so of tight bore and then the rest is a bigger bore. This allows the BB to accelerate very efficiently and then ther larger bore simply guides the BB.

As for the video it was hardly a real comparison. The first rifle was open sights and the second one had a scope. Maybe it is all they claim it we will have to see.

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Thats all old hat, the Japanese 30metre shooters have been working on this design for years, its just they were doing it bush mechanic style rather than with fancy metal fillets.


Even I tried this once a couple of years ago but couldn't get it to quite work right, but seeing their idea gives me one.... I'll keep everyone posted if it works out


@ Builder...... The stepped barrel was conceptualised over on ASM a couple of years ago but never got past talking about it, they also went through the theories of "choking" barrels aswell.... some interesting ideas but all never made it off the drawing board.


One idea I did put into fruition was the barrel that had its bottom half removed past the 450mm mark out to 509mm. I designed it to be part of an LRB system, but found the front section had too much vibration...... I'm sure given more time I could of perfected it, but my brain produces wierd ideas faster than I can actually produce them
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If this actually works, do you think they would make a gas compatible version?
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Here is a another Video..


actually wgcshop stole the idea from a japanese gun smith.
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Old 05-22-2013, 05:09 PM   #14
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... My R-Hop'd AEG with a magbull barrel does better than that at 50m... Hopefully once my shop gets them in we can gather more accurate data.
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Thats all old hat, the Japanese 30metre shooters have been working on this design for years, its just they were doing it bush mechanic style rather than with fancy metal fillets.


Even I tried this once a couple of years ago but couldn't get it to quite work right, but seeing their idea gives me one.... I'll keep everyone posted if it works out


@ Builder...... The stepped barrel was conceptualised over on ASM a couple of years ago but never got past talking about it, they also went through the theories of "choking" barrels aswell.... some interesting ideas but all never made it off the drawing board.


One idea I did put into fruition was the barrel that had its bottom half removed past the 450mm mark out to 509mm. I designed it to be part of an LRB system, but found the front section had too much vibration...... I'm sure given more time I could of perfected it, but my brain produces wierd ideas faster than I can actually produce them
Vindi did you ever bolt the inner barrel to the outer barrel? I figure since The Builder makes his own barrels it would be possible to do such a thing allowing for a more custom barrel design such as the stepped barrel idea or your half a barrel for the later part. Though aesthetically it wouldn't be super pretty.
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