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Old 10-24-2016, 06:55 PM   #1
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Do you think the Novritsch Tuning Kits are sending the wrong message?

I remembering hearing somewhere that the Novritsch tuning kits are just EDGI's kits but marked up a little bit, but that is not the point I am trying to make.

What I am concerned about is these kits include all of the cylinder and trigger components and inner barrel, but they don't include anything hop-up related. I understand that he doesn't want to be reselling the AA hop up chamber, r-hopped barrels, or reselling buckings, but this quote is VERY misleading:

"The Tuningkit includes everything required to achieve the same power and accuracy you see from my videos." (JING GONG ? BAR-10 Tuning Kit).

The key part is "accuracy" here. If I bought a JG bar-10 stock and installed this kit, i'd probably get pretty bad accuracy because of the issues with the JG Bar-10 hop-up unit/bucking, especially at the high spring powers he is endorsing. Do you think that making this claim is entirely false, and he should modify the page to recommend hop-up chamber or bucking choices?

It just seems like something such an experienced sniper wouldn't overlook the importance of bucking choice, replacement chamber (or just mods), air seal, etc, especially for the JG bar-10. The marui has better stock versions of these components, but not mentioning these components at all is a little concerning.

Do you guys think he is intentionally misleading people into buying these kits and not telling them about some of the strings attached, like potentially needing to replace/mod Hopup components on the bar-10, in order to make sniping seem like a more appealing option, thus to sell more units?

Just looking at the Bar-10 tuning kit page, it doesn't include the new cylinder/cylinder head, but my stock bar-10 cylinder and cylinder-head had a huge air leak before I used teflon tape and RTV silicon to seal it (It still has a slight leak, but not nearly as bad). I know this leak came from the cylinder-head region because I submerged it then fired, watching the bubbles gleefully spew from the crack between the cylinder and the cylinder head. I get he is trying to appeal to the people who don't want to spend the extra $100 on the cylinder & cylinder head, but this compounds with the hop-up issues the bar-10 has, resulting in a $130 gun with $375 of upgrades after shipping that probably doesn't even shoot that well.

As you will likely see when you first read this, I'm a "young gun," so I fully understand all of the above claims may be grounded on misinformation.
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Old 10-24-2016, 07:14 PM   #2
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You are not incorrect. The Novritsch tuning kits are misleading and overpriced. You can build a better performing gun for much less money by simply getting a good barrel group. Novritsch isn't the person I'd go to for tech advice, not by a long shot
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Old 10-24-2016, 07:25 PM   #3
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I'm surprised they didn't include EDGI's cylinder/cylinder head in the package. Though it does seem like that particular kit is cheaper than the rest. The kits that do include the cylinder and cylinder head do tend to have very good seals and thus give a very good powerplant though. It's definitely misleading to say that the kit will immediately give supreme accuracy, especially in something like the bar10 since it's pretty garbage in stock form. I like to say that the kits are a partial solution in going towards that nice sniper rifle, as they do tend to solve part of the issue very well (durability and powerplant consistency). But, I will also say that I still don't recommend his VSR10 kit due to 45 degree sears, though it's still a viable alternative for the other series of rifles that do not have readily available upgrade parts.
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Old 10-24-2016, 10:07 PM   #4
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The most misleading part is making noobs believe that throwing in some pieces (whichever pieces he chose) makes their rifles shoots like lasers, and specially, that having such rifles makes you a good sniper.
That's the real damage.
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Old 10-25-2016, 12:25 AM   #5
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He was a small account posting really good bolt action content. Loved it.

Then he got big enough to be picked up by Redwolf Airsoft, around the same time he started using those damn hit markers from Call of Duty. The fan base turned from ASF like people to all those wanna be kids. Codsofters we usually call them.

Then bolt actions turned to semi auto, then turned to full auto. I think he started Vlogging, too. Not cool.

So yeah, the tuning kit is just milking his fame to every poor kid who wants to be like not. Buying gear makes you an instant sniper, right?

God I can't stand his videos any more, literally just because of the hit marker thing. Everything else I can ignore, but god those damn hit markers...
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Old 10-25-2016, 07:14 AM   #6
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I think the in game drone footage is kind of cringy too. Imagine playing at your field with a drone capturing footage for one player.

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Old 10-25-2016, 07:54 AM   #7
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I think the in game drone footage is kind of cringy too. Imagine playing at your field with a drone capturing footage for one player.

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drones only have 20 minutes of flying time and it isn't like hes running around with the remote checking peoples locations.
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Novritsch still uses the stock hop up chamber in his to my knowledge.

His kits are indeed marked up. How else is he able to fly all over and buy new cameras and stuff? Sure the sponserships help, but travel is down right expensive. Also the click bait helps.

Also factor in he is a Professional Youtuber. He is in a business to push content, and his Patreon account.

End of the day his rifle is not that impressive. Mine does better then his. Heck most of ours do better.

I know quite a bit more, but you will have to work really hard to getting it out of me.
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Old 10-25-2016, 01:46 PM   #9
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His kits are indeed marked up. How else is he able to fly all over and buy new cameras and stuff?
The money he makes selling kits is probably marginal compared to sponsorships and youtube money..

Dude makes a living and travels the world playing, that's a life most of us would like to have (at least for a little while). He is really talented as a CQB player, not so much of a sniper imho and certainly not a top tech, but above everything else, he clearly understands the youtube business like no other airsofters has.

So... whatever. I'm not a fan, but I certainly enjoy some of his vids. No love, no hate, just entertainment.
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Old 10-25-2016, 02:06 PM   #10
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The money he makes selling kits is probably marginal compared to sponsorships and youtube money..

Dude makes a living and travels the world playing, that's a life most of us would like to have (at least for a little while). He is really talented as a CQB player, not so much of a sniper imho and certainly not a top tech, but above everything else, he clearly understands the youtube business like no other airsofters has.

So... whatever. I'm not a fan, but I certainly enjoy some of his vids. No love, no hate, just entertainment.
great point of view. Besides liking his videos, i think his tunning kit too expensive and its sending a wrong msg about accuracy.
With a stock m28 echo1, i only changed the bucking and did some airsealing and barrel polishing. the gun was shooting very accurate

The only thinking i heard novritsch saying something that i agree, its when he says its better to get an aftermarket bucking and about the airsealing
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Novoritsch is an entertainer first, and and airsofter second. It's not really something to be all that mad at. IMO people have nobody to blame but themselves if the kit doesn't help as much as it's supposed to. It's like watching a convincing car commercial and basing your next car purchase off of it.
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Old 10-25-2016, 03:14 PM   #12
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His tuning kit is a pseudo pay-to-win kind of thing. It's a really cheesy move, but he's selling them. As long as his channel grows at a steady rate, he'll keep selling them.
And yes, it's a rip off.

I do agree with bobcat; his videos have become unbearable. He was cool when he did his own thing, but now with the whole thing with the camera crew is just icky. And his editing is cut to action and those annoying cod hit markers is just... +1 was great.

There just isn't anymore raw content from this guy. It's like watching a Matimio video.

(But deep down, we'd all like to be him).
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I never said I did not like his content. It is hit and miss. Some I do enjoy, others not so.

As to the kit itself, the kit is good. The marketing behind it is some what flawed. He does not state that you "will" get the same performance he does. The wording is a bit misleading.
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Old 10-25-2016, 04:19 PM   #14
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On the subject of the tuning kits I 100% agree but lets not forget like a lot of you are saying he's an entertainer first and a player second. I dont think he's (could be completely wrong) ever proclaimed that he's an awesome tech? I'm sure he's completely different from his on screen persona and he's acutally been trained as a sniper! I personally liked his U.S.A tour but his redwolf era content seems pretty bland. This is the price of being a "famous" airsoft youtuber unfortunently. You are effectively monetizing yourself.
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I'm sure that plenty of us would monetize ourselves given the chance. There are so many guns I want I'd love to get myself some sponsorships :P
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