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Old 05-08-2017, 03:11 PM   #1
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SSG24 & Recent Parts Companies (+ Small Talk)

Hello,

I'm relatively new to the forum and still a novice to the airsofting world. While 5 years certainly isn't something to laugh at, it pales in comparison to our ex-military and hardcore airsofters that use airsoft as more than a hobby or thrill. Still, I enjoy the sport and even more so the technical aspects that go into it.

So, what is this thread about?

I recently relocated to Colorado from Arizona. Arizona has a rather open and active airsoft network with plenty of teams and fields to get involved in. After three years, I finally pulled my gear out of storage to get back into the sport. I've missed a lot in those three years and this thread it so help update myself and any others who might want a look at the recent changes in the airsoft sniping community.

SSG 24 Click Bait.

Not really click bait. Since I had the income to afford it and I really like the effort he put into the rifle, I have purchased an SSG24 which is slated to arrive mid June per his website. Now, once I receive it, I'll post my personal review. While I'm not a professional, I have spent more than my fair share of time and money upgrading an APS2 platform. I understand its sub-par to the VSR platform, but I prefer it none the less.

Now, as a my loss, your gain backup, if it arrives and fails to meet my expectations, I am extending it to this community for interest. Should the SSG24 fail to make it into my arsenal, I will offer to sell it to anyone interested. From my inspection, it currently suffers from some scrutiny in its aluminum barrel, feeding malfunctions, and hop-up system. That leads to my next point of discussion.

Hop Ups & New Vendors:

A lot has happened in three years. More places are custom milling parts that only one or two providers had when I relocated. I've read a lot about Action Army, Maple Leaf, and EgDI. In the past, Prometheus, Laylax, and Angel Custom were talked about in high regards. By what I'm reading, it seems Action Army and Maple Leaf have overtaken the limelight.

I've probed around for reviews and information on these two providers but there is a lot of junk versus the gems. Frankly, I'm tired of listening to prepubescent teens stutter over themselves on youtube for mods and parts their parents paid for. I'd like to get some information from the community. What has Action Army and Maple Leaf done to earn such such high praise? How are the variable degree buckings different over a purple prommy or R-Hop? What is the consensus on hop-up nubs?

I've also heard and looked at strange barrel designs that have recently appeared. Ones that have hybrid metals and mechanisms inside. One had grooves for initial BB insertion. Another had an interesting venting mechanism on the tip. How do these affect flight? Is there any merit to the gimmick or just another expensive metal tube?

Small Talk:

It looks like the recent years in Colorado has seen a decline in airsoft popularity. This might have something to do with more stringent laws in some of the nicer outdoor areas. For those that have been active over the last three years, have you seen any depreciation in the sport? Has there been more or less people on the field?

I love this community and I want to see it thrive. How as one person, can I make in impact on my local area? How do I boost reception of the sport and increase exposure without looking like a loon?

Also, what are some interesting changes that you've experienced in recent years? Are small children still a problem on the field? Do you still run into those teenagers that refuse to call a solid hit? What new BBs are you using over the Elite Force & GG Bios?

I hope to open up some talk in this thread without too much of the "try searching, noob" response. I've done a fair share of poking around, but I'd like some active conversation. As always, keep it clean and civil. Looking forward to what you have to say.
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Old 05-08-2017, 03:36 PM   #2
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Well the ssg is a tuned g24, the only thing that holds these rifles back is the lack of after market parts. I dont see a problem in putting a tdc onto it and have a realy nice gun out of the box. I also dont understand all the fizz about the vsr, when the hardcore guys are done there is not much left of it anyway. I use a bar10 and all i still use are the stock and trigger unit (wich would be one of the first things people switch in there spring vsr's).
If someone would sell cheap stocks u could argue there is no point in buying a gun to start with a build at all. Working on these things is so easy, you could sell the rifles in parts as a diy :)

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What has Action Army and Maple Leaf done to earn such such high praise?
Action army copied some of Laylax parts and made them better then sold them for cheaper. They also made the best VSR10 hopup chamber on the market. No other chamber can compete

Maple leaf made a drop in R-hop bucking.

That is why these 2 brands have earned such high praise.
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Lately maple leaf have been making a lot of new products like left and right receivers and bolt handles and new outer barrels. same with action army with their new magazine. Innovation is what makes them great on top of the quality parts.
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Well the ssg is a tuned g24, the only thing that holds these rifles back is the lack of after market parts. I dont see a problem in putting a tdc onto it and have a realy nice gun out of the box. I also dont understand all the fizz about the vsr, when the hardcore guys are done there is not much left of it anyway. I use a bar10 and all i still use are the stock and trigger unit (wich would be one of the first things people switch in there spring vsr's).
If someone would sell cheap stocks u could argue there is no point in buying a gun to start with a build at all. Working on these things is so easy, you could sell the rifles in parts as a diy :)
I do find it absolutely asinine that all these manufacturers sell sniper rifles with such low performing internals. Some of them at FPS below market AEGs. You think they'd catch on to the upgrading it takes to truly get that range, precision, and accuracy needed to fit the intended role. Without those aftermarket parts, an AEG will outperform a sniper every time. Even the argument of stealth and tactics goes out the window if the only variable in two players is the gun.

In that regard, I think the SSG24 is a smart move marketing wise. From the reviews, it holds ground against the custom VSR and APS builds without the tweaking, dremeling, and modifications. The money I've spent on parts that just don't meet expectation is frustrating. Not to mention the constant assembly and disassembly which wears the threads.

I do love the problem solving aspect, but the idea of a manufacturer publishing out of the box capable snipers is a massive appeal. His price point isn't too bad with that in consideration.
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Old 05-08-2017, 04:39 PM   #6
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Well maybe its supposed this way. First they get your money for guns, then they get double or triple of that on top for parts ;)
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Guns are made for the Japanese market and in Japan it is illegal to have a gun over 1 joule. I think China has a similar ruling but their limit is something like 450fps.
So the guns are made low spec for a reason but they also come with a low price and have a lot of potential when upgraded.
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Good point. I have seen some new Taiwan manufacturers stepping up their game. Some good products coming from over there.

A dumb question, but are there any domestic manufacturers? USA made brands?
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Good point. I have seen some new Taiwan manufacturers stepping up their game. Some good products coming from over there.

A dumb question, but are there any domestic manufacturers? USA made brands?
Almost all manufacturing is done in Japan/Taiwan/China because it is much cheaper there. There are some western manufacturers of upgrade parts though
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Guns are made for the Japanese market and in Japan it is illegal to have a gun over 1 joule. I think China has a similar ruling but their limit is something like 450fps.
So the guns are made low spec for a reason but they also come with a low price and have a lot of potential when upgraded.
I dont think the Chinese are allowed to own airsoft guns. I could be wrong but i think ive heard that somewhere.
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What about the airsoft community as a whole? Do you feel its on the rise or on the decline? Seems like the latter for me. More interest in the video games and less in the real, outdoor, welt-dealing version.

Then again, and sadly, Colorado isn't a hotspot for airsoft. Despite the fantastic terrain for it.
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i am new to the sport so for me its rise. lol
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