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Old 04-14-2017, 01:50 PM   #1
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Better Than SSG24 Bar-10 Build!

This thread will be mostly my sniper rifle build of the most common beginner sniper rifle, the JG Bar-10. First of all I would like to say that while I have tried to soak in as much information possible over the few years I have lurked on this forum , I Know that I am still less experienced in this subject than at least the majority of members on this forum, so any and all information you would want to bestow upon me would be Greatly appreciated.

To make this easier on the reader and upon myself, I will try to address any goals I want to achieve as well as my current build ideas, what order in which I will purchase and install these said parts, and finish up by asking a few questions about the build itself.

Goal: To Be able to reliably hit targets out to 300 feet reliably as possible (Max 500 fps), as well as maintaining a quiet, quick, and reliable rifle that makes the SSG24 pale in comparison, all the while maintaining a cheap budget.

Current Build of JG-Bar 10 Pro from back of rifle to front:

Stock: Stock
Trigger unit: AA zero trigger
Piston: AA Blue piston ( Came With Trigger, Correct?)
Spring: Laylax PSS10 170 SP Spring?
Cylinder: Stock
Bolt: G- Spec Bolt?
Hop Up unit: AA hop up chamber
Bucking: Maple Leaf 70 Degree Auto Bot bucking
Nub/Tensioner: ???
Mag/s: AA 50 round mags
Inner Barrel: AA 6.03 430mm Inner Barrel
End Cap: ???

Order:
0.5- Stock, Cylinder, AA Hop-Up Chamber
1- Inner Barrel, Bucking, Nub Thing, Mags
2- Trigger Unit, Piston, Spring
3- Bolt, End cap

So, I have a few Questions:

1) Reading 1 tonne's advanced vsr build guide, He states that one would need a g-spec bolt so it doesn't hit the scope, is this truly needed?

2) Is that spring good for about 550 fps after it wearing down and cutting the spring down?
3) Whats with all this Nub Business for the bucking, can i just use the one that came with the original hop-up?
4) Are the Action army good for use without any modification? i don't want to buy these mag if they feed badly.
5) Lastly, I hate the orange tip on the gun, what type of end cap can i buy that doesn't stick out of the barrel.


Thanks Again for reading this (If you managed to get through it ) If you want to give any tips or answer any of my questions, That would be awesome!
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the orange is just paint. Sand it off and repaint flat black with matt clear coat.
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Old 04-14-2017, 06:27 PM   #3
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1. Bolt handles are a personal choice thing. All 3 of my VSR rifles have different bolt handles. Try the different types and see which you like.

2. A 170 spring is good for about 550fps, assuming you have a good air seal.

3. You can of course use the original HOP nub, but most people prefer the Maple Leaf concave nub as it gives better results when used with the bucking you have listed.

4. The AA 55rnd mags are fairly new to the market. Everything I've read so far has been positive, plus I've had no problems with the ones I picked up.

5. As already mentioned, you can get rid of the orange tip. If it's painted on, I find that nail varnish removal pads will get it off fairly easily.
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Old 04-15-2017, 12:53 PM   #4
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1) That's true, I do have this issue, though it's not the handle hitting the scope as much as my hand on the handle. Annoying nevertheless.
2) I'd say careful with that spring. I've used AA's 170 which gave me 644 FPS on AA's chamber without hop applied. With hop that would go up to even 690, according to some folks here.
3) You can, but it depends on the bucking. A nub has to be chosen according to the used bucking. Maple Leaf bucking for example won't really work without a proper (dedicated) concave nub. Checked myself a day or two ago.

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Old 04-18-2017, 06:24 AM   #5
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I am very interested how much your Build will be in the end.

You can also think of changing the springguide and getting some Barrel Spacers, or at least make some on your own.

Your build list has been done many times before and should work pretty well *thumbsup*
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Holly click bait! 2 posts in and your claiming your bar 10 will be better than the ssg24?? But I read your first post and you openly admit that you have no experience building a bolt action sniper rifle and your asking for help.... here's a piece of advice.. talk to the people that actually "HAVE" a BAR and "HAVE" experience building them. Seems like there's a lot of members here offering advice and making claims that have neither a BAR or any experience other than what they read somewhere on the internet.
Your build has been done many times and it should work great! Wether it will outperform any other BAR out there will depend on how well the parts are installed, not how much money you spent.
So unless you can put your build side by side in a controlled test with an ssg24 or any other high end BAR, don't make claims you can't prove.
Wish you luck on your build bro! Should be a gooder!
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Old 04-18-2017, 04:15 PM   #7
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I guess you could say that for functionality if you put a SSG24 against an upgraded Bar10, the Bar10 would win just because it is lighter. The light a rifle the faster a sniper can be. So the Bar10 may win hands down (well for me it does as I hate heavy guns)
Also, no rifle will reach out to 300 feet reliably unless it is a ceramic bb build.
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I guess you could say that for functionality if you put a SSG24 against an upgraded Bar10, the Bar10 would win just because it is lighter. The light a rifle the faster a sniper can be. So the Bar10 may win hands down (well for me it does as I hate heavy guns)
Also, no rifle will reach out to 300 feet reliably unless it is a ceramic bb build.
This is very true and often overlooked when comparing platforms. An active sniper that moves around a lot will definitely benefit from the functionality of a lighter platform. But I don't think you can compare performance based on weight.. that's more of a personal preference IMO
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My Bar 10 with BOLT shoots well 360feets with 0.43, 550fps with 0.20bbs.
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Was about to write the same about click bait. To be able to say it will be better than X you have to own X.
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To add something of worth to this conversation...

Weight can affect performance. However, if strictly talking rifle performance it is not a major concern, so long as you are balanced.

In the bigger picture, weight effects the shooter. The heavier the gun, the faster fatigue is going to build. Fatigue effects you in a great many ways, I am not going to dig much deeper on it as it can be summed up easily, physical and mental.

Lightweight rifles have a lot going for them, however they are not without drawbacks.
Flimsy externals (typical stock rifles), expensive (upgraded externals), some have compatibility issues, and more prone to user errors (missing due to swaying, etc.).

Finding the middle ground for weight is important. This is different person to person, as it effects you and your play style.

Mine is not as light as I would have liked, but like hell I would change it at this point. Its damn near perfectly balanced, and shoots freakin awesome. I have no reason to change it at this point. (Well, I still need to add a pad to the stock, and a new scope, but those are small potatoes compared to the rest!)
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Old 04-21-2017, 06:45 AM   #12
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Holly click bait!
Yeah, The title was maybe a little Click bait But Towards the end of the build i will see if my Jg Bar 10 will compete against my friends stock SSG24, so hopefully that will make up for the click-baity title!

Anyways, Thanks for all the support guys, i figure if i have any true questions i can just ask them on here.

So far, i have installed a auto-bot hop up bucking, AA 6.01 mm barrel ( No 6.03 in stock) and a omega hop up nub. Hopefully I installed these correctly, but I plan on going to a local field today and testing the range. If i mange to actually get out there on my crutches (), i will report my range findings on here!
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Nothing wrong with the 6.01 barrels, just keep it clean and use a high quality BB. Not familiar with the Omega nub but if it's the concave type then it should be good to go.
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Better than SSG24 for a cheaper price:
Stock: Stock
Trigger : AirsoftPro Trigger
Piston: AirsoftPro Piston
Spring: AA Spring
Cylinder: AirsoftPro Cylinder
Bolt: Stock
Hop Up unit: AA
Bucking: Maple Leaf
Nub/Tensioner: Maple Leaf
Mag/s: TM
Inner Barrel: Action Army
End Cap: ??? stock
About 125$ for all the airsoftpro stuff and the spring, 55$ for the hopup chamber, 45$ for the barrel. 10$ or so for the bucking. 235$, plus a JG Bar 10 which can be found for around 70$. So for around 300$ you have a rifle that shoots great.
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Better than SSG24 for a cheaper price:
Stock: Stock
Trigger : AirsoftPro Trigger
Piston: AirsoftPro Piston
Spring: AA Spring
Cylinder: AirsoftPro Cylinder
Bolt: Stock
Hop Up unit: AA
Bucking: Maple Leaf
Nub/Tensioner: Maple Leaf
Mag/s: TM
Inner Barrel: Action Army
End Cap: ??? stock
About 125$ for all the airsoftpro stuff and the spring, 55$ for the hopup chamber, 45$ for the barrel. 10$ or so for the bucking. 235$, plus a JG Bar 10 which can be found for around 70$. So for around 300$ you have a rifle that shoots great.
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