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Old 09-15-2020, 04:28 PM   #1
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Question Noob sniper here !

Hey Everyone,

I have a VSR 10 pro on the way as i want to learn how to snipe and upgrade it myself.

The sites i play all have a 500fps cap on .2s, im not to fussed about being silent if im being honest so noise isnt really a factor, ideally i just want to shoot something thats got great range and is very accurate.

I have an upgrade list that i put together and would love some feedback on please as its just based on what iv seen mentioned.

Action Army S-Trigger/Piston Set
Action Army M130 VSR
Action Army Teflon Cylinder kit
Action Army Spring Guide
Action Army VSR Hop Up Chamber
Maple Leaf AUTOBOT Hop Bucking 70°
Maple leaf omega nub
Action Army 430mm 6.03 barrel
Or Maple Leaf Crazy Jet Barrel if i can find one.

Will this all work together?

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Old 09-15-2020, 04:38 PM   #2
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Welcome to the forum. I hope you find all your answers here. For snipers you will probably want to get at least .3 bbs and many will tell you to go heavier. The reason for this is they will fly straighter and will not get pushed around as much by wind and plants that get in the way. .2 bbs just aren't great for snipers. Hope you enjoy sniping.
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Old 09-15-2020, 04:59 PM   #3
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Perfect thank you! I havnt managed to look into bb weight yet so thats perfect as i run 3s in my main guns.
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Old 09-15-2020, 05:40 PM   #4
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Up the spring if needed to get to 500 fps with a .2. Then use .48s!!!
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Old 09-15-2020, 06:31 PM   #5
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DUDE! We literally have the same upgrades but I have a 6.01mm barrel instead and I suggest you do the same. I also, dont have a r-hop and I have a 75 degree bucking not 70. The cylinder won't be anywhere close to how smooth the stock cylinder but it should break in after a while. It will be kinda rough to pull the cylinder and push it back for the first month of constant usage but after that, it should all work out. About the bb, with pretty much the same setup, I use .20 to shoot random things at like 20ft, anything further your bb's are gonna go wild up or down. I sometimes use goldenballs .36 but I still would prefer .40 or higher. Also, throw in some bubble wrap in your stock and pack it tight and full. I find it to balance the gun but that might just be me. It also helps reduce some sound. Hope you enjoy this setup as much as I do. Also, if you ever need any help on spacers or internal silencers, ask SiliconeSword or watch one of BlindSniper's videos.
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Old 09-15-2020, 11:26 PM   #6
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DUDE! We literally have the same upgrades but I have a 6.01mm barrel instead and I suggest you do the same. I also, dont have a r-hop and I have a 75 degree bucking not 70. The cylinder won't be anywhere close to how smooth the stock cylinder but it should break in after a while. It will be kinda rough to pull the cylinder and push it back for the first month of constant usage but after that, it should all work out.
70° is better than 75°, durability is slightly worse, but performance is about ideal.
R-hop is certainly better than Maple Leaf, but it's not what it's cracked up to be, only slightly better and not worth it unless you are insanely serious imo.

As for the trigger, you have the 45° sear set, he wants the 90° drop in trigger.
The reason your bolt pull sucks is because of your trigger/piston set, 45° pushes the piston right into the top of the cylinder which creates more drag, while the 90° version holds the piston and has it more centered.
The reason your stock bolt pull it better is because your stock spring is weaker and the heavier a spring the worse your pull feels as it pushes that piston up even harder so it takes more force to move.
Another reason your bolt pull is better stock is because your piston is plastic, and plast on metal is usually quite low friction so that helps a bit.
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Old 09-15-2020, 11:36 PM   #7
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I suggest that you get the following.
Action Army chamber
Maple Leaf Autobot or MR-hop in 60°-70°
Masada's arm from a guy called Masada on here
Maple Leaf Crazy Jet or Lambda 6.01 barrel
AirsoftPro 90° trigger
AirsoftPro 90° piston
AirsoftPro cylinder
AirsoftPro cylinder head version without front O-ring
AirsoftPro 7-9mm dual spring guide
Rapax 2J spring or Laylax M130-M160 depending on your setup

Alternatively, you could get the Springer Custom Works spring guide, piston, and trigger, and get the Action Army cylinder along with the barrel/hop parts before mentioned.
Maybe a bit better, but not by very much and also significantly more expensive.

The most important things for you right now are the barrel, bucking, arm, and chamber, and once you have those in I suggest you use the stock cylinder and trigger parts until they die.
After that, upgrade them.

My opinion of Action Army isn't all that good, their stuff is okay, but not great and sort of expensive.
Their hop chamber is the best by far though, so I will suggest that.
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Old 09-16-2020, 12:14 AM   #8
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As for the trigger, you have the 45° sear set, he wants the 90° drop in trigger.
The reason your bolt pull sucks is because of your trigger/piston set, 45° pushes the piston right into the top of the cylinder which creates more drag, while the 90° version holds the piston and has it more centered.
lol yea, forgot about the trigger ._. I'd say the bull trigg is not that bad too but I've only heard a little about it. Also, Maple Leaf released a 90 trigger so you might wanna check that out. Maple Leaf is hands down one of the best. But to answer your question "Will this all work together?", answer is yes, definitely yes.
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Old 09-16-2020, 03:22 AM   #9
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OK. So when you said action army S-trigger you were confusing 2 triggers together.
The action army zero-trigger and the springer custom works s-trigger.
I prefer the s-trigger if I'm honest. I would also get the springer custom works piston with that.
I would try and get a rapax spring if you can. The 2 joule version if you want 500fps.
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Old 09-16-2020, 05:23 AM   #10
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Cheers guys for all this info.
So it seems like i should be looking at Maple Leaf Crazy Jet 6.01 barrel instead.. Same length at 430mm im guessing?
Also upping the spring. I dont think i want the m150 i think i might try and get the m140 or similar so i have a bit of a gap from 500. I might see if i can find a laylax spring but i wasnt sure if that will fit if i get the action army spring guide?

As for the Airsoft pro stuff, I know its cheaper but iv also read 50/50 with people complaining about it. I only picked action army as apparently they are mostly clones of the laylax stuff which i didnt want to fork out for so i went for an inbetween brand.

Let me know if the things above iv mentioned will work out or any other suggestions. The gun arrives today but i wont be buying the upgrades until im 100% on the list. :)
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430mm is good.
I prefer lonex barrels to maple leaf and have heard good things about lambda.
Also, Maple leaf Crazy Jets are 6.04mm barrels not 6.01. But really, diameter doesn't matter that much.
The airsoft pro trigger is good. Everything else is not so good. They springs and hopup unit are bad.
Action army makes good parts most of the time. However, apart from the hopup unit, it is rather unremarkable. Laylax isn't that good for upgrading a vsr10 at this point as their parts are either too expensive of crappy.
Again, I am a big fan of rapax springs.
Here is what I would suggest for a decent, budget build.
Action Army Teflon Cylinder.
Springer custom works piston and spring guide.
Rapax 2 joule spring.
Airsoft pro zero trigger or Springer Custom works s-trigger.
Action Army Hopup unit.
Lonex 403mm vsr10 unbridged barrel.
Maple leaf autobot.
Stalker Panthera Nub.
Optional TDC mod.
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Old 09-16-2020, 10:39 AM   #12
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@blackdogairsoft : AirsoftPro cylinders, pistons, triggers, and other parts are quite good, in fact arguably better than Action Army.
Except for their hop chamber and springs of course, pretty bad lol.
But I would highly recommend full AirsoftPro cylinder/trigger set minus the spring if you want to save some money and have a really good gun.
Going with the SCW piston, AA cylinder, SCW spring guide, and SCW or Bulltrigger is going to be better in some ways, but may not be worth it for some.
If you get either setup, get Rapax springs if you can, and if not then Laylax is the next best.
As for the barrel, I think you meant 430mm.
Imo, barrels are important, but BBs and your hop up combination are much more important as the barrel just guides the BB along, the hop area does more of the work.
That being said, here are barrels that are supposed to be good
Maple Leaf Crazy Jet, I borrowed a friend's and it was good
Lonex, never tried, but they are well liked by some
Lambda, they are quite good, arguably better than a Crazy Jet but hard to tell
And of course the stock barrel, with some polishing you can get insanely good performance for close to free.

As for other barrels,
EdGi is good, but super expensive
PDI is also good, but also expensive
TNT is kinda bad, and expensive
Stalker Morpheus is okay, but expensive
Airsoft Philosopher is good, but really expensive and somewhat proprietary

I think that's about it, the rest that you will see are kinda lame, and the ones at the top are most definitely going to be better.
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I agree with silicone. I like airsoft pro WAY better than action army. Except the hop chamber. The airsoft pro parts are better quality AND cheaper. Not that you NEED the extra strength but the airsoft pro cylinders are all 1 piece like edgi. No pins or anything for the rear bolt handle section. I had the v4 trigger and it was great, no issues. The older gen AirsoftPro springs has a bad rep but they have since fixed them to my knowledge. I believe it was just innacurate output ratings though. I’ve had multiple action army triggers that needed way too much adjustment out of the box. Like the piston wouldn’t latch. I had to shim some, shift some, real pain in the ass. Not the end of the world but it shouldn’t be required out of the box.
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Old 09-16-2020, 01:20 PM   #14
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https://www.landwarriorairsoft.com/p...straight-p9250 is this the airsoft pro end cap without the front o ring you mentioned? or https://www.landwarriorairsoft.com/p...-rounded-p9251
Im working on a new list that il post when i find the parts that arnt out of stock for me.

I cant find any airsoft pro triggers in stock so the money i might be saving on everything else i might just by the laylax zero trigger
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Old 09-16-2020, 02:07 PM   #15
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The bottom one is the one to avoid.
Don't get Laylax, Bulltrigg is better and significantly cheaper, and a Springer Custom Works one is about the same in quality according to everyone I talk to.
In theory Bulltrigg will give you higher FPS as it compresses the spring more, but who knows if that's the case.
Still, can't go wrong with either one.

Btw, make a google document or something with links, names, and prices of products that seem good, you won't have to remember every little thing.
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