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Old 11-20-2019, 11:58 AM   #61
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Making it all one-piece, like corriander was saying, to go from a lathe process to 5-axis is pretty expensive. The material itself shouldn't be too bad but removing all the extra is what would normally get pricey. If someone wants a one-piece receiver/rail, why not epoxy/glue the rail then screw it on? It wouldn't budge then. Now if it was just a receiver with integrated rail, the difference might be that bad since you are eliminating a part and assembly process. Then again, seems like an airsoft gun would benefit way more with a one-piece receiver/barrel than a one-piece receiver/rail.
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Old 11-20-2019, 02:02 PM   #62
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Ya that about seems to be the consensus: not worth doing. I think it would be neat, but the potential benefits don't really seem necessary nor worth the cost.

I think I'm going to work up a design for a free-floated hop up base and print it out. Still working on LRB stuff too, still no good results though.
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Old 11-20-2019, 02:47 PM   #63
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I like the thought of a free float hop up in a single piece receiver/barrel. I also like the idea of having a hop up unit with integrated TDC where all you need to do is drill a hole for the adjuster screw, I hate to even mention it but sorta like the full thrust kit (the only real accuracy difference between Nov.s SSGs IMHO).

Something like this reasonably priced could give the AA unit some real competition I think.
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Old 11-20-2019, 02:56 PM   #64
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You can get an EdGi TDC for VSR's already.

The AA hop up is already technically TDC'd, it's just not as easy to adjust as having a knob on top.
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Old 11-20-2019, 05:49 PM   #65
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Honestly the AA chamber is already very reasonably priced for what you get and performs so well that I don't think it's really worth messing with.

Doing a free floated base though should be doable though. Especially because it doesn't technically need to be aluminum if all it's doing is holding the mag.
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Old 11-21-2019, 12:27 PM   #66
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You can get an EdGi TDC for VSR's already.
Did not know that. I did some looking but couldn't find it. It would be awesome to see.

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The AA hop up is already technically TDC'd, it's just not as easy to adjust as having a knob on top.
Right, basically the same but it could be awesome to have an easy adjust top mounted thumb screw instead of having to rack the bolt and find and fit the little hex key every adjustment. If it was pre-integrated into the hop up unit you just have to roughly drill a clearance hole for it. This would be a lot easier than trying to precisely locate a hole drill and tap it straight and/or glueing a nut on there or having to buy a uglyish tdc kit.

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Honestly the AA chamber is already very reasonably priced for what you get and performs so well that I don't think it's really worth messing with.
I agree that it is a great performing product and is a good price for a cnc aluminum. Can it be better? Does it have to be cnc aluminum or can it be more cost effective plastic or cast alm/zinc and still perform as well?

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Doing a free floated base though should be doable though. Especially because it doesn't technically need to be aluminum if all it's doing is holding the mag.
Again, performs same as AA unit but added features cheaper or same materials to get cost lower or same as AA or even a little more expensive. I think could be a viable product. Kinda what Maxx aeg units is to prowin. It seams to go over pretty well.
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Old 11-21-2019, 01:08 PM   #67
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Gunsmithy also makes a 3D printed TDC.

As far as where to find them, skirmshop may have the gunsmithy, and hpairsoft in Canada plans to stock the EdGi TDC. They both are similar in design and do require you to drill a hole in the outer barrel. They come with templates though, and it looks like it could be done with a simple handheld power drill.
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Old 11-21-2019, 02:29 PM   #68
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I have seen the edgi before (forgot about it lol). I have also seen the gunsmithy one as well but it just looks cheap (still has a hefty price). I am curious to how it performs. I guess if money/value was less of a concern but looks and ease of install being more of the focal point (with both cases performance being #1), I would go AA chamber with edgi TDC (cost $30 for edgi and $60 for AA). I still think there might be a market for either a "Ultimate upgrade vsr hop up chamber" (should be under $90 but more than the AA) and/or a "budget performance upgrade vsr hop up chamber" (more features maybe cheaper materials but little less than AA). Then again if that gunsmithy one was priced better (in the $10-$15 range like I feel like it should be) maybe that would be a great route for a cheap alternative.

For me, I am planning on designing and printing my own top side easy adjuster for my AA unit. Most people don't have the access to tools and software that I have. Still more are looking for "the best" to "drop in" their baby. A lot don't have the time or skills (drilling a simple clearance hole I think is reasonable to of most DIYs. Straight precision hole, tapping, epoxy a nut on straight, lot of tiny part assembling I think is asking too much for the average DIYer.

I think the "Ultimate upgrade vsr hop up chamber" makes even more sense on a beautiful piece of work like Masadas "Ultimate"1 piece receiver/barrel unit. For the price and quality, I think Masada has a great product. Defiantly something I would buy from him and not try to make myself (it did tempt me lol). If/when I do get something like that, I would not care for an ugly 3d printed tdc turret and would absolutely put the "Ultimate upgrade vsr hop up chamber" in if/when it becomes available at a reasonable cost.

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Old 11-25-2019, 05:52 PM   #69
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So since I'm waiting for the first batch of parts to be completed I decided to be productive and flesh-out this design. Basically, this is not a one-piece vsr, but instead a much stronger multi-piece Marui-esque design. So the rear portion of the receiver comes off like normal, but is instead screwed together much more securely than normal. The barrel uses a normal barrel nut style design like so many real firearms do so barrel to receiver rigidity should not be an issue. The cylinder sleeves are positively locked in place too. All of this in a standard VSR receiver/barrel profile to allow for regular vsr stocks.

That's all in theory though, nothing has actually been made and I don't know if I'll actually make it either. Really just messing around with what can be done.

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Old 11-25-2019, 06:49 PM   #70
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Honestly by that point I think I'd rather just have the rail welded on. Unlike the non-floating barrel there really shouldn't be any odd forces on the scope/rail.

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Old 11-25-2019, 06:50 PM   #71
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So I have the used the edgi TDC installation was easy and unit seems effective, only down point is it’s harder to adjust with gloves and longer sunshades on scopes are in the way
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Old 11-25-2019, 07:50 PM   #72
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You thought about using a barrel locking system similar to the real Desert Tech SRS?

I believe it uses trapezoidal cut outs on the barrel that index with the receiver, along with screws that you tighten down once in place. Ensures it always goes in the same way, and then allows a system to tighten it down (in addition to allowing caliber swaps).
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Old 11-25-2019, 08:16 PM   #73
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You thought about using a barrel locking system similar to the real Desert Tech SRS?

I believe it uses trapezoidal cut outs on the barrel that index with the receiver, along with screws that you tighten down once in place. Ensures it always goes in the same way, and then allows a system to tighten it down (in addition to allowing caliber swaps).
Briefly, ya. I decided against it because of the space constraints of fitting into a normal VSR stock.
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Old 05-08-2020, 06:30 PM   #74
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Figured I'd post pics of the current batch since it's finally done. I'm still pressing the sleeves in and finishing things up, so they aren't ready for sale yet. That should be soon though.

There were some very slight modifications to the design for this round, but nothing major.







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Old 05-09-2020, 03:57 PM   #75
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Also, been working on this little thing.



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