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Old 08-08-2016, 04:27 AM   #1
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Orga 6.23 inner barrel

Hey Guys,

EDIT: perhaps the question I'd like to ask is: Does it matter if you use a 430mm inner barrel where the standard inner barrel is 455mm? Or shouldn't that affect the bb?


*Note: normally it'll have the 'flash hider' on.

This would mean that the inner barrel wouldn't stick outside of the outer barrel. Is that a problem? If not, then most of the questions I'm asking below are irrelevant. Though I'd like to know what spring I should choose to get my fps back to around 500.

Hopeing that someone can help me out here :)
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Original question:
I'm looking to purchase an Orga 6.23 inner barrel for my Ares MSR.338, however, the barrels I can find that are the same length as my current barrel (455mm) are marked 'aeg' barrels.

I can find Orga 6.23 barrels for Bolt, but unfortunately they don't have the right length.
What is the difference? Or is it possible to use the aeg version for my Ares.
I'm guessing it has to do with the hop-up chamber for aegs and bolts so, what would your advice be regarding the purchasing of this barrel, or perhaps alternatives?

Bolt version (too short): http://www.airsoftshop.be/nl/orga-ma...vsr-10-43.html
AEG version: http://www.airsoftshop.be/nl/orga-ma...rel-455mm.html

Volume ratio with these settings should be (http://airsofttech.dk/Calculator.cshtml):
My cylinder is d=22mm, l=90mm.
Orga barrel: 6.23
length: 455mm
volume ratio: 2.47:1

Are there any other things I need to take into account when changing my inner barrel?
Most of the parts I've already upgraded, but I'd like to see how an 6.23 would affect the path. Perhaps a different spring is needed to accompany the bigger diameter?

I'm looking forward to your replies.

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Old 08-08-2016, 08:40 AM   #2
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If you use a shorter barrel, you have to make sure:
1. It's supported inside the outer barrel.
2. It's centered(If the outer barrel is hollow with spacer's for centering).
3. That the bb's won't hit the outer barrel on the way out(Happens a lot with suppressors).

I would personally find a barrel with the right length.
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Old 08-08-2016, 09:02 AM   #3
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Thanks for the reply.

The inner barrel sits flush (and thus centered) in the outer barrel. I just measured where the 430mm barrel will end, and the bb won't hit the outer barrel on the way out.

There is a prometheus 6.20 barrel that has the right length, however, I've heard that orga barrels are better (quality wise).
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Old 08-08-2016, 09:24 AM   #4
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Wide bores are ass either way.

And no, the only thing an orga is better than is a 7-11 straw.

But a McDonalds straw beats it out.
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I honestly am not a big fan of widebores. There was a decent hype train on it for a while, and I do know a few select people that still swear by them, but pretty much everyone else has moved back to their tightbores. If you're doing it for science though and will do a comparison, I'd be interested to see the results :P
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I honestly am not a big fan of widebores. There was a decent hype train on it for a while, and I do know a few select people that still swear by them, but pretty much everyone else has moved back to their tightbores. If you're doing it for science though and will do a comparison, I'd be interested to see the results :P
You'd have to pay me to use an orga.

I love my edgi steel's and my soon-to-be-vascomax too much.
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I honestly am not a big fan of widebores. There was a decent hype train on it for a while, and I do know a few select people that still swear by them, but pretty much everyone else has moved back to their tightbores. If you're doing it for science though and will do a comparison, I'd be interested to see the results :P
For science then! :)

I've got the Orga prepared with a flathop bucking. I'm waiting for the M-nub to arrive (this afternoon or tomorrow) and i'll do some testshooting (short range).
If that works, i'll test it in the field on the 20th of August.

If it doesn't work properly, I can always go back to my Edgi 6.01 precision barrel :), but atleast I know what the effects are.
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The EdGI is going to win assuming you're not using shit ammo. :P
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We'll know for sure soon :).
I'm using .36 valken bio's, so it's definitely not going be the bb that'll influence the result ;)
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We'll know for sure soon :).
I'm using .36 valken bio's, so it's definitely not going be the bb that'll influence the result ;)
Depends on which factory those came out of.

But not really, EdGI is objectively superior.
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Old 08-09-2016, 01:16 PM   #11
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Aye, that depends on whether it is the new or the old batch of valken .36. The old batch was pretty decent. Then they went out of stock everywhere. Now they have a new batch out of a new factory.

I bought two bottles, I shot not even 100, and they are absolutely the WORST bb's I have EVER shot in my whole airsoft career.

I would rather put .25's in my sniper rifle than those valken bb's.

Then again, widebores can theoretically handle crappy ammo due to the extra space, so who knows?

Either way, if you put the new valkens in the Edgi barrel then you will get crap accuracy because they are crap bb's. Even the old valkens weren't stellar, they were just the only affordable bio heavyweights. So it would not be a very scientific test
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I'm still using the old batch, however I bought two bottles of the 'new' batch, so i'll have to find out for myself what the new batch will do.. It doesn't sound promising ...

Which other bio heavyweight bb's are available (that might not be as affordable)? I couldn't find anything else than Valken for .36 or heavier.
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HPA and bioshot are the best options for proper heavyweights. Honestly I'm eagerly waiting for the geoffs
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But HPA is super expensive and Bioshot has been wishy washy about their biodegradability xD
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Old 08-10-2016, 11:52 AM   #15
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Well.. first results are shocking..

EDIT: It shoots straight, but my fps went down to 420fps with 0.20grs whereas I used to shoot 490-500fps with 0.20gr. :o

So I'm have to test it again with a stronger spring. Anybody know what kind of springs come with the EDGI kit? Mine shot 550fps when I installed it. I had to cut a few coils to get it to shoot 500.

And; what would be the 'better' spring to choose? Is any information needed (cylinder length/diameter to chose correctly?

we'll see what happens when I put in a stronger spring that takes it back to 500fps

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