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NOTE: The Google Document linked below will always be up-to-date, whereas this initial forum publication - including all data visualization images below - will not include the latest BBs tested! Just click this link unless you're interested in details/context below:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...it?usp=sharing Project Updates (details in individual comments): [06-16-2019] Novritsch .49g added [06-16-2019] Size takes into account BB compression [06-16-2019] Softness takes into account inherent device compression [05-02-2019] BLS (non-BIO) .45g added [05-02-2019] BLS (non-BIO) .43g added [05-02-2019] BLS (BIO) .40g added [05-02-2019] BLS (BIO) .36g added [05-02-2019] Inclusion metric added for all BBs [05-02-2019] Color metric added for all BBs [...] Original publication -------------------------------------------------- WHEW, sorry guys- this is well overdue. ...and a continuous project... Let's get on with what we have so far! 32 different types of BBs evaluated in various fashions. All actual hard data can be found here: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...it?usp=sharing You can use the previous link to look further into the details (sample sizes, devices used, etc.) of how I gathered data on the following properties of given BB types:
Legend: blue, cyan, green = potentially neutral observation orange = medium priority red = high priority violet = BB weight (metric) saturation = magnitude ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Considerations to take into account:
Now for the fun part- throwing opinions around! The results really are something- it honestly looks like Maruzen Super Grand Master .29g BBs are king. As far as really heavyweight plastic BBs go (>=.4g), it's pretty tough to say which performed the best, but I might have to go with BLS .43g (BIO) BBs- really though, none of the heavyweights stood out, other than the obvious top-tier ceramics. What do you guys think? This is a long time coming, and I know could use a lot of improvement, so I'd love to hear any input. Big 'thank you' to the donors!
EDIT: Note that this is an ongoing project. I will not completely rewrite the initial post here- just updating the donor list. As of the time of this edit, the visualizations are technically already outdated, as more data has been gathered on more BBs not listed in the initial visualizations.
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Awesome data man!
Interesting how all the heavyweights everybody loves seem to score only average. Seems good quality heavy bb's are still tricky to do. Even though the old heavyweights (such as madbull .4 and bioval .4) scored the worst, so there is some improvement over time. Oh, quick question, which batch of valken .36 did you test? The old Taiwan batch, the china batch or the new Taiwan batch? |
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Great job, thanks.
The colour strength representation is very nice to read. Fun to see how great quality the .69 are :D Probably very expensive. I tested with .89, but i could not lift them. .69 would be perfect. Suggestion for additional BB's: G&G .25 and .28. |
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And I just bough some more Geoff's thinking they were top tier hahaha
Jokes aside, great data. Of course there can be numerous factors affecting your results, but some data is better than nothing. It would be great if you could add other brands and weight in the future.
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I'm not sure I'll be able to answer that :/ They were donated by Tactical Advantage Airsoft Supplies (Geoff..?) in a plastic bag. I could ask, but I know they are white (I think some were grey at one point, correct?). Quote:
I know, right? ![]() Suggestion noted! Quote:
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This is great. Specially the raw data.
Just to make it clear, which kind are those Madbull? The old tan ones, the white bloating ones, the dark grey, light grey, or the newest whites? ------------------ Now that it think about it, here's the only problem I see with this... Most brands are probably still being manufactured at the very same factory (my chips are GEOFF = HPA = Madbull (if the newest) = BLS, all of them manufactured by the latter), and the good and bad things we see about some brand might actually be just differences between batches of the "same" bb. |
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Whelp, guess USPS strikes again. (I also kinda forgot to check back to see if you got them, so...)
Interesting results none the less.
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I agree (and would add Novritsch- seen the same machines doing quality control on Nov's and BLS)- wish I had access to that information :'/ Oh snap, forgot about that! Yeah that's too bad...but I'll still take anything if you want (new address by the way). Unfortunately I won't have access to the extremely high quality scales anymore, but I have basic scales, and may myself invest in some serious ones down the road.
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Yeah, I sent you all of the bbs from G&G and Elite Force. Too bad USPS lost it. Ill put another box together and let you know.
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Damn :/ Sounds good; text me for quickest response.
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With how well the ZrO2 ceramics did, I am now curious how other types of ceramics would compare. There are 6mm Si3N4 and Al2O3 balls as well. Based on size/density calculations, they should be approximately .4g and .45g respectively. This could be an option for very very high quality and equally expensive BB's that aren't as heavy as ZrO2. I believe these other ceramics are available in higher grades as well. According to AXK who sells them, 6mm grade 20 Al2O3 balls have a surface finish of .05 Ra! Thats crazy smooth.
If I ever cough up the 40 bucks for 100 of them, I will let you know how it goes. |
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I've made note of those suggestions as well- would love to add those.
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I'm trying to figure out this test. Low standard deviation is what we want, right? Looking in the .36g to .4g weight range, it looks like the BBBastard .36g is more consistent than most any other brand in every category? Does anyone have real experience with this?
to OP, you should get your hands on Bioval BBMax, they're .27g and transparent. Pretty sweet. Last I played (5 ish years ago), they were comparable to Maruzen Grandmasters, and pretty nice. ...And after a google search apparently banned at a lot of fields. |
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*Using weight as an example: A BB having value 0 for 'weight inconsistency' would mean, on average, a given BB deviates from the average weight by 0g. *This is a bit of an over-simplification, using 'average' because it's a more commonly-understood metric; in reality, my explanation used 'average deviation', while the actual evaluation used 'standard deviation'. I honestly can't tell you why standard deviation is used more often than average deviation - believe me, I tried to find the answer - but that is the case... They absolutely are. Those .36g BBBastard BBs are made of ceramic (Si3N4)- simply better than plastic. And on that note: I totally blanked, , we did evaluate some Si3N4 BBs... ![]() Back to RkBoss, Recorded the recommendation. Yes, unfortunately it seems many fields have problems with harder BBs- silica (clear BBs, like BB Bastard SIL .28g) and of course ceramics. I'd really like to know if harder BBs are significantly more dangerous, because it appears the harder options tend to be better...
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Very nice info, I was kinda hoping to see the BLS .5g, maybe in a future test.
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