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Old 02-18-2019, 01:26 PM   #1
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Max Range & Accuracy - Which One? SSG24 or Fully Upgraded Striker as01

Question: Looking for maximum range and accuracy - between the two rifles...which one?? SSG24 factory delivered or ares striker as01 with nemo kit, 550mm dual bore upgrade without bridge, 550 or 600 fps set up, maple leaf bucking 70 degree w/ omega nub, AA hop up unit.
Which one will put em the farthest down range with most accuracy?
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Old 02-18-2019, 03:02 PM   #2
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I would go with the ssg24 as the striker will always be limited with its small cylinder so you wont be able to efficiently use heavy weight bbs. The striker will always be quite hard to cock.
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Old 02-19-2019, 08:37 AM   #3
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If you go for the best of the best route, the fully upgraded Striker would be better. If Bespoke is to be believed the volume of the Striker would be even greater than the VSR and certainly out volume the SSG, with a great barrel and chamber to boot. The only thing it would lose out is bolt pull.

Though really the Striker isn't the gun you'd want to kit it up to the maximum. It's a perfect gun for lite play and cheaply customized but not really good for going all in for its price rating and lack of competition in the NEMO enlarged cylinder - this means the NEMO will always be too expensive to justify the expense.
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Old 02-22-2019, 11:42 PM   #4
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I would go with the ssg24 as the striker will always be limited with its small cylinder so you won't be able to efficiently use heavy weight bbs. The striker will always be quite hard to cock.
The Striker can use heavyweight BBs very efficiently, provided you use the correct cylinder to barrel volume ratio. I have an AS-02, not a AS-01, with a 300mm 6.01 inner barrel and a Guarder SP160 spring. With this length inner barrel, a standard volume AS-01 cylinder, and good air sealing, it is shooting 0.50g BBs very consistently at 3.34 Joules, which is 600 FPS/0.20g equivalent.

The bolt pull is heavy, but with this spring I can still cock it while prone without too much effort.

It is a good solid gun, inexpensive, easily upgradable and once tweaked, even without an expensive Nemo kit, it will go head to head with mid-tier upgraded VSRs. The two things that will limit performance are the smaller cylinder and the short bolt pull. If you are looking for something to compete with a maxed-out VSR, this would not be the gun for you. If you are looking for an easily upgradable, mid-level BASR, this is a good buy.

I agree with TenshouYoku - It is probably not worth trying to make into an uber rifle. Even if you throw in a very expensive nemo kit, performance will still be limited by the short bolt pull. I find an SP160 spring is the stiffest I can pull without straining.

You dont need an AA hop-up unit. The stock one works just fine.

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Old 02-23-2019, 09:18 AM   #5
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All of this said, I'd consider the AS02 a great platform for mancraft builds. If that's the direction you want to go, there's no reason you shouldn't be able to compete with high end VSRs.
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Old 02-23-2019, 10:49 AM   #6
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The Striker can use heavyweight BBs very efficiently, provided you use the correct cylinder to barrel volume ratio. I have an AS-02, not a AS-01, with a 300mm 6.01 inner barrel and a Guarder SP160 spring. With this length inner barrel, a standard volume AS-01 cylinder, and good air sealing, it is shooting 0.50g BBs very consistently at 3.34 Joules, which is 600 FPS/0.20g equivalent.

The bolt pull is heavy, but with this spring I can still cock it while prone without too much effort.

It is a good solid gun, inexpensive, easily upgradable and once tweaked, even without an expensive Nemo kit, it will go head to head with mid-tier upgraded VSRs. The two things that will limit performance are the smaller cylinder and the short bolt pull. If you are looking for something to compete with a maxed-out VSR, this would not be the gun for you. If you are looking for an easily upgradable, mid-level BASR, this is a good buy.

I agree with TenshouYoku - It is probably not worth trying to make into an uber rifle. Even if you throw in a very expensive nemo kit, performance will still be limited by the short bolt pull. I find an SP160 spring is the stiffest I can pull without straining.

You dont need an AA hop-up unit. The stock one works just fine.
And I though M130 is already a pain in the arse to cock. Oof.

The AS-02's dimensions are actually quite terrifying if you thought about it. It's shorter than even a G-Spec and a short bolt pull means less movements and a very maneuverable gun (though not a big fan of that short barrel).

Still it's mostly a light skirmish gun that's excellent for very cheap play - you'll most likely spend lessbut not solid enough for extensive upgrades and heavy competition (not that it needs to, however).

Since there are winds about a possible AS-03 I hope a large cylinder will become standard for it while using the ESD one-piece trigger unit for AS-01 (thing is super lit, 90 degrees trigger with light pull unlike that heavy 90 degrees the AS-02 is having). That'll be the new VSR in no time if cylinder quality is much better by standard.
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Old 03-07-2019, 09:36 AM   #7
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Bespoke was shooting a target at 80m using .40 asg bbs, with the as01 surprisingly well with upgrades such as edgi dual bore barrel, stock rubber with bespoke hop, ares 500 spring, 492 fps avg using asg .20s. If they're hitting well at or past 80m in this set up then the low air volume concern is starting to get addressed.

.....if they would have tested again with a Nemo full kit w/ 600 spring, heavier bbs and upgrade their rubber I wonder how it would perform based off their 80m+ tests...

The striker's smaller cylinder air volume is at 26,917 mm3 outta the box.
Nemo air volume jumps to 33,000mm3.... edgi is taking advantage by removing the stock plastic sleeve from the cylinder to maximize every bit of space for their cylinder.
This set up would go beyond the VSR's cylinder by 1,000mm3.

I'd like to see the test again using the above parts.
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Old 03-07-2019, 02:27 PM   #8
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That would be interesting to see.

You would however be dropping a $350 tuning kit into a $175 rifle, which is already shooting pretty well. Doesn't seem like it would be worth the extra expense. It could give you the same or better muzzle energy from a weaker spring, which would make the gun easier to cock.
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The striker's smaller cylinder air volume is at 26,917 mm3 outta the box.
Nemo air volume jumps to 33,000mm3.... edgi is taking advantage by removing the stock plastic sleeve from the cylinder to maximize every bit of space for their cylinder.
This set up would go beyond the VSR's cylinder by 1,000mm3.

I'd like to see the test again using the above parts.

The Jing Gong cylinder has a volume of 34624mm3
The Action Army cylinder has a volume of 36613mm3


The 80 meter range, was it measured?
I guess it also depends on the expectations of the shooter. At 80 meters I expect to get a torso with either the first shot or second (allows for wind).
Was the bolt hard to pull?


Here is a thing to think about. A spring in a VSR is tested with a VSR10 cylinder volume and a VSR length inner barrel. To get 500fps, the spring would be of a certain strength.
If we were to put the same wire used to get this 500fps in the Striker but shortened it to fit in the cylinder you would find that the fps on the rifle will drop dramatically. As the cylinder will not have as much air to give the bb the acceleration time. I would guess that the fps would be about 350-400fps. So to get the desired 500fps we would have to put in a stiffer spring and this will make the bolt pull harder. (I know it has already been mentioned but I thought I would put my 2 cents in)
So the Striker could be capable of long shots with the stock cylinder but the bolt pull would become ridiculous or at least very hard compared to the VSR10.
Cylinder Volume is very important in making a very long range rifle. If Edgi can make the cylinder volume larger than a stock VSR10 that is great but the AA cylinder still give more volume. Though there is not much difference and so either rifle would be good in this instance.
When Edgi removes the plastic sleeve, what effect does it have on the bolt pull? Was the plastic sleeve there for a reason?
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I guess the other thing to think about is that it is best to have an ejection port cover on any bolt action rifle so that dirt does not prematurely kill the cylinder. The lifespan of a cylinder can be doubled or tripled with an ejection port cover. Can the stock Striker receiver fit an ejection port cover? Can it fit an ejection port cover with the Edgi kit?


That makes me think of another thing to add to the perfect airsoft bolt action sniper rifle. -NO EJECTION PORT COVER.
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Well striker has same volume as AEG right? If an AEG can do 600 fps then striker should do it to, and since one is able to put the spring required for 600 fps inside the gearbox I suppose the bolt pull will be somewhat ok since it's more convenient..?
Depends on the coating of the Nemo kit I guess the bolt pull is less smooth. I removed the guide ring on my VSR receiver, sand the hell out of it so a tube with ID large enough for the bolt to slide could fit. The tube runs the length of the receiver until the hop up chamber, connecting the barrel, effectively created a one piece receiver/barrel.

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An AEG can do 600fps but it will put the gearbox under amazing stress since the spring has to be so stiff. This will most likely be the same too for the Striker. It will be able to do it but it will need a very stiff spring.


By the way, if anyone is making an AEG shoot 600fps, you will want a barrel length to suit the bb weight. If you are using 0.45gm in it then you will want an inner barrel about 335mm long. This will give the most efficiency for the heavy bb. Though it will make it harder to get the 600fps with the 0.2gm bb. The best barrel length for a 0.2gm is around 450mm long. (just some waist of time info that is off topic)
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An AEG can do 600fps but it will put the gearbox under amazing stress since the spring has to be so stiff. This will most likely be the same too for the Striker. It will be able to do it but it will need a very stiff spring.


By the way, if anyone is making an AEG shoot 600fps, you will want a barrel length to suit the bb weight. If you are using 0.45gm in it then you will want an inner barrel about 335mm long. This will give the most efficiency for the heavy bb. Though it will make it harder to get the 600fps with the 0.2gm bb. The best barrel length for a 0.2gm is around 450mm long. (just some waist of time info that is off topic)
I believe the sleeve was there to make production easier (reduces the need to sand or smoothen the metal receiver) as well as help holding the chamber in place. Bespoke claimed it is unnecessary but well it gotta has a reason to be designed and put there.

Regardless even if the NEMO makes a striker comparable or even greater than a VSR in volume, it's still way too overpriced and is only relavent if you need to shoot extremely heavy stuff (which is also balanced somewhat with the short barrel of the AS02). The regular cylinder will already do justice despite the constant claims (though a bigger cylinder does help ease up bolt pull as you can slack off with a lighter spring, a thing I practiced with my VSR).

The thing about an open bolt is 1. Cool, and 2. Allows jam clearance easier. Unless you rub your gun into dirt for some reason it's unlikely to get anything into the chamber either (you won't leave your rifle in the racked state without returning the bolt to its original position right?). Air leak isn't an issue either as we know the Strikers don't leak from that position.

That said, if you don't use the NEMO kit it's entirely possible to find a plastic shealth of identical dimensions, drill a hole for the BB passage and the TDC screw, and bam now you have a completely covered cylinder. With the NEMO it will be a bit trickier I suppose, haven't installed mine to see how tight of a fit it actually is.
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- Cylinder: Action Army "Masamune" Teflon Cylinder
- Chamber: Action Army red chamber
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