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Old 05-01-2019, 11:18 PM   #16
 
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There is a reason 98% of internal parts on most sites say, "Expert Installation" on it. (If it doesn't then it probably needs to.) Nothing is truly just drop-in and it works flawlessly. Everything needs tweeking.
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Old 05-02-2019, 10:44 AM   #17
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I would have thought it was fairly obvious. Thats kind of level 1 troubleshooting. Considering the crazy levels of things we do to get the most out of our rifles, lapping barrels, rhopping, shimming, aoe correction... I would think it would be a given to polish your internals.

Not saying you guys are dumb, but if you're wearing the hat...
Y'know, doesn't matter what you're building be it airsoft guns, real guns, hot rod motors or motorbikes...everything benefits from careful hand fitting of components, and no, manufacturers rarely if ever look at the fine print. In industry it's all about cost effectiveness of course. If the machine can be produced for a reduced cost and be 70 percent efficient, it's a win for the bean counters.

I know, 70 percent sounds pitiful, but that's what you have to hit for an efficiency rate to play the warranty game and still have something for the shareholders without driving your production costs into the ground. If 70 percent of your customer base is happy, you will survive. Sickening, hunh?

So, let's talk about 100 percent! This is where you really, really make things work. 100 percent is theoretical in the sense that there will always be friction losses, etc, so ok, let's suppose we meet in the middle at 85. That's still an exceptional machine! In the spirit that you can't polish manure, and we are working with inferior parts to begin with, pulling another 15 points from junk is exceptional. Consider the framework of the rifle (it ain't no Anschutz), the variables in the ammo, etc, 85 percent is magical.

So, how does that equate to a build? Well, everything we've discussed here, and maybe even a little more. Suppose I said that I check the line bore on my gearbox shells to make sure the gears really do spin on a perpendicular axis to the shell. In castings, you'd be amazed how things like this aren't always on point, are an area of lost efficiency, but get fast tracked because they make it into the cost effective 'good enough' category. Can you compensate for off axis bores? Yes..you can taper the gear teeth and it will work, but you've removed material...are the gears balanced, and so on...

Yeah, that's how fanatical I get with this. Sometimes I don't correct it as it's not possible with some of these components but I will replace it if it's not within my 85 percent tolerance. Now, the problem with this kind of quality control is that either we have to have a giant boneyard, be willing to spend thousands on line, or have some access to machine tools...which luckily I do. We can build up metal and make small corrections. That sort of thing.

This is NOT cost effective, but the proof is in the bullseye. It's easy when your parts are on spec, but not so much when you have to retool, modify, remachine....like we always do. All of us!

Do I polish the internals! Absolutely!! Every single piece is hand fit, aligned, checked, balanced...and so on. The result? I can run all day firing over 400 fps on a 9.6v NiMh. Nothing jams, nothing binds. The gun is as noiseless as it can get...even sound is a byproduct of friction which is a byproduct of sloppy fitting. There should be no spring slap, virtually no whine, etc...

I will admit that in certain guns I fix I don't do my best work. People don't want to pay for 'best work'. They admire your rifles, they want one that shoots just like them, but quickly turn tail when you start talking money. Why should I do it for free? I did the research, the work, put in the time...why should they get the good for nothing? They get 75 percent..

Point being, aim for a hundred, be satisfied with 85, sell 75 and you're still better than any retailer...
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Hey Zero!!!!

Look up

Mythbusters polishing a turd on youtube


you can polish ANYTHING
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Yeah man! I saw that episode!! hahahaha. There's a dude in this part of the world that sells lacquered cow patties as a decorative paperweight. Quite a sense of humour we've got in oil country. hahahahaha
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Just because you can shine and polish something, doesn't mean you should. Like polishing a turd.

As for airsoft, not saying you should never buy cheap guns, but be prepared for the investment.
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Just because you can shine and polish something, doesn't mean you should. Like polishing a turd.

As for airsoft, not saying you should never buy cheap guns, but be prepared for the investment.
Absolutely! Now this could probably segue over to 'Grind My Gears', but what really cheeses me is when the big money guns are also complete turds!

Big beautiful Ferrari looking replicas with VW engines. bawwwhaahaa The great equalizer in airsoft is when you can get a Combat Machine to outgun just about everything for a fraction of the cost of say, any DMR/308 platform out there.

But yeah, in keeping with your comment (before we rattle off into space again), agreed. You still need something for the screws to screw into in order for it to hold together.
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i use it on my KJW m700 (non-hpa tapped) and it helps in a big way to seal air leaks at the nozzle.
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