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Old 04-26-2019, 12:09 PM   #1
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Quick Maple autobot / AA hopup question

I've always used the 70 Monster buckings but got a 60 degree autobot to try it out. Are you guys using the ring that comes with it when using the AA hop up unit or no? figure easier to ask than to have to strip it down twice for no reason
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Old 04-26-2019, 01:03 PM   #2
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There is literally no difference at all in airseal
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Old 04-26-2019, 01:51 PM   #3
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Donít use the ring for bolt rifles, the seal will be too good and your nozzle will end up devouring autobots for breakfast.

The ring is really only for gbb pistol in my experience.



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I'm sure it depends on the system, yeah.
I've been running without the ring for some time, and just switched to using the ring testing consistency- there was no consistency change (already perfect seal with the Wolverine BOLT nozzle), and now time will tell if the ring results in heavier wear; however I kind of doubt it with this nozzle at least- it's just not very aggressive, and the material of the bucking seems smooth enough to accept the extra tightness without problem...but we'll see :P
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I agree with Magic Marker, it may depend on your nozzle choice. Iím using the AA Teflon cylinder, and it destroyed 2 buckings before I thought to remove the ring. Even with the ring removed I still saw heavy wear within a few hunderd shots.

Maybe the AA nozzle is just slightly oversized, Iím not sure, but in my experience I canít use the newer style ML buckings in my bolt gun. The entrance of the bucking gets destroyed before I see any wear at all on the hop patch. So in my bolt gun I use the older Monster style buckings and I have no wear issue and still have a great air seal.

But for my Hi-CAPA I use the newer Decpticon bucking with the ring installed.


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I had weird anomalies when I had mine installed in my vsr-x. However, I am fairly confident that it was tied in with the bbs I was using at that time, as they were old and I suspect they had swelled a little.

Past that I have never used them. Not seen a need even in my pistols.
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I have the AA Teflon Cylinder kit and the cylinder head needed just a little sanding on the sharp edges. The wear is next to nothing after thousands of shots
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Hmmm I thought I sanded my AA cylinder edges, but maybe that was a different build? Canít remember.

Either way thanks for the reminder, I need to check that next time I pull my rifle apart


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Its interesting you guys should bring that up. Ill tell you the trick

Get a drill bit or shaft and wrap it in enough tape to so it fits snugly in the back end of the cylinder head. Put that on a drill so you can spin it and go to sallys beauty supply and buy a flat fingernail buffer (its a flat file like thing with 4 different colors, two on each side). Spin up the cylinder head and lightly work down all the sharp edges with the course side until they are slightly rounded. Then use the buffer sides of the file thing to polish it. The buffer sides don't remove much matereial so you can actualy do the whole cylinder head and make it buttery smooth

After this, you will NEVER eat a bucking again no matter how soft. I've done this for years now
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I do something similar but with a set of micromesh pads.

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I also have the swabs too.

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Quick Maple autobot / AA hopup question

Wow never thought to polish my cylinder head, thanks for the heads up my friends! Now I have a new ďmodĒ for my VSR-X :)

Iíll report back after testing & confirm if Iím still devouring autobots.


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It's funny that there are a few of us that seem to have been doing this but we never thought to mention it before lol
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I would have thought it was fairly obvious. Thats kind of level 1 troubleshooting. Considering the crazy levels of things we do to get the most out of our rifles, lapping barrels, rhopping, shimming, aoe correction... I would think it would be a given to polish your internals.

Not saying you guys are dumb, but if you're wearing the hat...
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Quick Maple autobot / AA hopup question

Until recently I had zero power tools so I couldnít really polish anything up nicely, but I got a drill for Christmas so now I can polish my cylinder heads :) just never thought to do it yet

I need to get a dremel... Iíve needed one for years, itís like the multitool for Airsoft projects.

Edit: I do spend my fair share of time sitting in the corner under the dunce cap lol

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I think part of it is the idea of

"Well if thats the way the factory made it, then it must be right"

Techs need to make sure not to fall into that trap. ALL factory parts are close to spec, but not all are perfect for your build. Now this is a little different if say you own a t10 and buy nothing but AA parts, but even then there is room for improvements. polishing the cylinder head is a perfect example of this. (part of the reason is half their designs are stolen from Laylax LOL)
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