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Old 06-23-2019, 03:16 AM   #1
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New BB from Novy

Ordered barrel spacers from Novritsch and got these:


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Old 06-23-2019, 08:40 AM   #2
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So... It's slightly bigger. I can't tell scale from the image but are they just closer to exactly 6mm or are they more like an 8mm round? Calipers to check?

Can you tell us some more about these?

Are they textured?
Any designs cut into them?
What's the inside look like (if you want to cut it open)?

I'm sure MagicMarker will have more questions about these than I could possibly come up with.

Edit: Here's the link from the warning label. Any guesses what he's tried to hide with his fancy instagram filter lighting?

.5g? Heavier?
Full Thrust?

https://us.novritsch.com/ft/
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Old 06-23-2019, 09:15 AM   #3
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hmmm looks bigger than 6mm (and the warnings would make sense in that case) but not quite 8mm... So 6.5 - 7mm? The intentionally hidden label on the link seems to say .58g

I don't know where he's going with this one, but man, this boy knows how to sell his stuff.
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Old 06-23-2019, 09:18 AM   #4
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New magazines. Speed loaders. Hop up. Bucking. Chamber. Barrel.

And thats at an absolute MINIMUM to get this to work in an existing rifle. Genius. They need to have an IPO so I can buy stock.
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Old 06-23-2019, 09:58 AM   #5
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THey dont fit in a 6.01 at all, i would say 7mm
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Old 06-23-2019, 10:10 AM   #6
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Wow so he's not even going with the 8mm system he's just doing his own thing. Ensures parts have to be bought form him at least initially. Smart.

That said, I wonder how the physics work out with these bbs compared to 6mm. Accuracy, Range, Stability....safety??? All things this claims to increase. I wonder if for the same volume of air these larger bbs are able to accelerate better than their smaller counterparts.

That said, diameter not withstanding, a .58g bb is still a .58g bb. At 350fps that'll be around 3.3J which is above most field limits. Lot of questions on how these will perform at what has to be lower muzzle exit velocities than most are using in the US.
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Old 06-23-2019, 10:45 AM   #7
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Might be 6.35mm... that’s 0.250” maybe he researched and found someone who is commercially making 1/4 inch styrene bbs?

Similarly how we are getting this ceramic 5.95 mm (15/64”) bbs
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Old 06-23-2019, 12:26 PM   #8
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That said, I wonder how the physics work out with these bbs compared to 6mm. Accuracy, Range, Stability....safety??? All things this claims to increase. I wonder if for the same volume of air these larger bbs are able to accelerate better than their smaller counterparts.
If anything, 8mm bbs taught us that at equal energy (mass and speed), the wider bbs reach shorter because of higher air friction. So not sure where he's going with these ones.
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Old 06-23-2019, 02:48 PM   #9
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If the bb is heavier and bigger the backspin should last longer and give more range. Also it would be harder for the wind to move it off track even though it has the bigger mass.
Imagine spinning a little kids scooter wheel really fast in your hands. Then rotate it sideways. You can feel the central fugal (I think that is what it is called. LOL) pulling trying to keep the wheel on track but it is still pretty easy to rotate. Then do the same experiment with a kid bike wheel. The bigger wheel is harder to rotate or move off line.
He is definitely onto something and people may be keen if the price is right.
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Old 06-23-2019, 02:49 PM   #10
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Wow. The SSG could outdo the VSR10.
BUT HE NEEDS TO MAKE A LIGHTER STOCK!!!
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Old 06-23-2019, 04:25 PM   #11
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Your comments 1tonne pique my interest, however it would still require a heavier spring and more power, at least in my mind. Perhaps I'm missing something. However, if it could be done, I feel it already would have been with the 8mm rounds in the past.

A heavier 6mm bb would have less wind resistance and still carry force a similar distance as a larger diameter round, as Dimitri indicated.

He's certainly opening a can of worms. The implication for this IF it does work and improve performance are massive in the airsoft industry. Much the same way switching away from .223/5.56 has been for the US military.

In my mind this came about one of two ways. Either a company capable or producing larger diameter bbs contacted Novy or he found one and contacted them. Either way the potential profit for this is large on a pre order style system like he runs so skepticism, in my mind, should be welcome early and often until we see results.
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It's an interesting concept, but like everyone else has said, the joule cap is going to be the limiting factor. For a 0.5g at 2.3 joules, that's a very meager 300 fps, starting to run that line between practical weight vs travel time. I'd love to see some results though, whenever they do come out.
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Old 06-23-2019, 10:27 PM   #13
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I may just contact Action Army and tell them. They are always keen on new ideas. A new Cylinder head for the VSR cylinder, a new hopup chamber, a new bucking, a new inner barrel, new barrel spacers and a new muzzle end. Heck, they could also sell the bb's and I am sure that they will be cheaper than Nov. They would petty much get the market to themselves and would be able to produce the best rifle.
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OK. So the secret news (may not be that secret) that I was just told was that the bb's are made by BLS (We already knew that) and they are 6.44mm. The new system parts will come from VFC.
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Old 06-24-2019, 07:08 AM   #15
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I'm going to take these performance increase claims with all the grains of salt until I start seeing some serious unbiased testing. Nov's YouTube friends don't count.

So he MIGHT be able to get away without changing the cylinder head nozzle. Airseal may be an issue though.
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