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Old 09-10-2019, 06:44 AM   #1
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Raptor released their SV-98 and it's awesome! except for...

You know I love Russian guns and have wanted a proper SV-98 since forever. It seems Raptor finally made my wishes come true with this awesome new gun




As you can see, they payed really close attention to details and made the gun look like a proper SV-98 instead of the "VSR-10 / L-96 in a SV-98 stock" that DIY builds and the one by Snow Wolf implemented.




The price tag is imo excellent for such an endeavour, at just 380 - 400 USD

They even placed the magazine in the right spot without the hassle of a feed ramp and such.


And that should give away the downside immediately... The system they used for that is the Amoeba, which is known to be a PITA to upgrade due to the really small cylinder.

So there's that... a really nice looking gun that most likely will be nothing but a wallhanger, at least for any country where BASRs are allowed for "high" power :(
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Old 09-10-2019, 09:59 AM   #2
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On the bright side, the wolverine bolt M and the mancraft systems should be easy to drop into the platform. Pretty gun, im happy it's out there.
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Old 09-10-2019, 10:19 AM   #3
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Unfortunate there's nowhere to put a full tank, but there's always an on-person tank or on-rifle CO2.
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Old 09-10-2019, 11:49 AM   #4
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Yup... looks like a mission for a Mancraft kit hiding the regulated CO2 rig in the cavity below the stock, where the bipod normally folds into.
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Old 09-11-2019, 08:46 AM   #5
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If it's the Striker and mostly compatible with that then it's not too hard to upgrade, get a nemo or use super powerful springs to compensate or just outright HPA it and you get the best of both short stroke and high output

If it's some other Ares system then idk anymore
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Old 09-11-2019, 11:03 PM   #6
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Seem cost arm and leg to make it "beast" xD.
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I'm going to to try to weigh in on this conversation, as this Sv98 looks gorgeous and would be the perfect fit for my Russian loadout, so i may have nerded out a little too much about the rifle



It's certainly a pricy rifle, but for its uniqueness I can understand that. My main concern, with my limited technical knowledge, is that the Cylinder to barrel ratio will be attrocious.


You have the limited cylinder of the AS01 system, combined with a 610mm barrel (Shop link below as a source for technical specs) And i think eve a NEMO kit won't be viable of you want to fire 0.40's and above.

https://en.safarasoftair.com/raptor-...-ver-pre-order

As far as i can tell that pretty much only leaves a HPA system as a solution to generate enough power to sling heavy bb's. That gives us the issue of air-line routing and Co2/HPA tank storage.


From what i can tell from avialable photos and footage, the Locking pin (which is the default exit for HPA lines in Mancrafts' AS01 HPA conversion-kit) is different between the SV98 and the original AS01. So basically the default routing may not work with the sv98.

(Short clip from the Mancraft installation guide linked to illustrate the locking pin issue https://youtu.be/kOgYXXBKS2s?t=414 )

So the question is what other options are available in terms of HPA conversion for this rifle?



Then the is the issue of upgrading the barrel. Is it possible to find other 610mm VSR-type precision barrels out there, or what solution would you guys go with for upgrading the inner barrel? 590 mm or 640mm?
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I'm going to to try to weigh in on this conversation, as this Sv98 looks gorgeous and would be the perfect fit for my Russian loadout



It's certainly a pricy rifle, but for its uniqueness I can understand that. My main concern, with my limited technical knowledge, is that the Cylinder to barrel ratio will be attrocious.


You have the limited cylinder of the AS01 system, combined with a 610mm barrel (Shop link below as a source for technical specs) And i think eve a NEMO kit won't be viable of you want to fire 0.40's and above.

https://en.safarasoftair.com/raptor-...-ver-pre-order

As far as i can tell that pretty much only leaves a HPA system as a solution to generate enough power to sling heavy bb's. That gives us the issue of air-line routing and Co2/HPA tank storage.


From what i can tell from avialable photos and footage, the Locking pin (which is the default exit for HPA lines in Mancrafts' AS01 HPA conversion-kit) is different between the SV98 and the original AS01. So basically the default routing may not work with the sv98.

(Short clip from the Mancraft installation guide linked to illustrate the locking pin issue https://youtu.be/kOgYXXBKS2s?t=414 )

So the question is what other options are available in terms of HPA conversion for this rifle?



Then the is the issue of upgrading the barrel. Is it possible to find other 610mm VSR-type precision barrels out there, or what solution would you guys go with for upgrading the inner barrel? 590 mm or 640mm?
AFAIK PDI is the only one that offers custom made barrel lengths made in factories up to 680mm (think it would cost like some cool 100+ Euro right from your account), but you can try Edgi and ask if they can custom one for you.

Cheaper ways include using barrel spacers with shorter inner barrels such as the 430mm inner barrel if you want to shoot very heavy BBs. A stock AS01 could regularly hop 0.36g with positive joule creep using 550mm 6.01 Raven inner barrels.
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- Cylinder: Action Army "Masamune" Teflon Cylinder
- Chamber: Action Army red chamber
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Old 09-17-2019, 11:42 AM   #9
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Then the is the issue of upgrading the barrel. Is it possible to find other 610mm VSR-type precision barrels out there, or what solution would you guys go with for upgrading the inner barrel? 590 mm or 640mm?
590mm Crazy Jet for VSR. Notice that there are two versions of 590mm Crazy Jet, I believe you'll need the one intended for VSR and VFC M40A5, that is, the one with only 1 set of side-alignment notches (as opposed to the GBBR version that has multiples)

As for the Mancraft kit, best thing you can do is ask Mancraft directly. They'll know how to adapt the line routing and might even make a custom version for this particular platform.

Your certainly right about the volumes ratio, 610mm is absolutely bonkers for the tiny Strike cylinder. I would be surprised if that thing can shoot anything above .20s without a massive loss of joules.

HPA / regulated CO2 surely is a must for this gun. I would suggest a CO2 rig conveniently hidden inside he compartment meant for storing the folded bipod at the bottom of the stock, as I'm not fond of the GhostBusters HPA setups.
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Old 09-17-2019, 12:36 PM   #10
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590mm Crazy Jet for VSR. Notice that there are two versions of 590mm Crazy Jet, I believe you'll need the one intended for VSR and VFC M40A5, that is, the one with only 1 set of side-alignment notches (as opposed to the GBBR version that has multiples)
It's good that 590mm will do the trick, so we don't have to order custom edgi ones.



And just of out curiosity: would 430mm inner barrel actually be viable in a 610mm outer-barrel? To me it sounds like a way to fill your gun with smashed bbs xD



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HPA / regulated CO2 surely is a must for this gun. I would suggest a CO2 rig conveniently hidden inside he compartment meant for storing the folded bipod at the bottom of the stock, as I'm not fond of the GhostBusters HPA setups.

I would aggree with that preference, especially given my MilSim preference. And i've been giving it some though and have 2 ideas:
Both my ideas ( the first two) hinge on me wanting to deluxe version.



1 co2-based: Store Co2 in a pouch which you attach to the carry handle, to keep it vertical when shooting (which is important for reliable co2 power). also i hope the co2 will be proteced by the carry handle, if you trip and fall, in which case the handle side is more likely to hit the ground.
for asthetics you can ghilllie up the entire front of rifle, including your co2 pouch/carryhandle.



Pros to this, is that the back of the rifle remains clean, and your bipod-storage can be used for bipods (which is a really need feature of the sv-98 IMHO)

cons are having to keep a pouch strapped to the carry handle (slightly immersion breaking placement/it ruins the silhouette of the rifle )
There is also the con of co2 being very coolant, affecting your hopup bucking, and the risk of liquid Co2 in the system ruining your shots.



2. HPA-based: Store HPA tank in a pouch strapped to the side of the stock (preferrably the one facing towards yourself)

HPA can be horizontal without problems, so no worries there. And you still keep the bipod storage free for the bipods.


Pros are that the front profile of the rifle will go untouched, and your propellant is the most reliable out there (outside of plain old spring).


Cons is a more bulky bag (compared to co2) strapped to the stock, making operation of the screws of the stock more difficult, and possibly getting your sling tangled up.



3: Your idea: HPA based: Storing a small HPA tank in the bipod recess.


The pro to that is the rifles profile and operation being (almost) completely unaltered (unless you wanted to store the sv98 bipods).

Also keeping the airline hidden inside the rifle will probably be easy.



Cons to this are it will be harder to access the the HPA to check pressure and the like, without turning the gun upside down. Also you need to figure out a way of effectively retaining the hpa bottle in the recess, while and concealing it, from the front. ghillie could solve this, but would also make it more finicky to access the tank to check air pressure.
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Old 09-17-2019, 01:10 PM   #11
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I'm not sure if the HPA tank can fit the bipod recess, I was thinking more on the lines of a tiny regulated CO2 rig with the Wolverine Wraith adapter, which includes an expansion chamber to prevent liquid CO2 from bypassing it, so no issues on mounting it horizontally.
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Ahh, that sounds good too. I was thinking that maybe 0.2l (13CI) tank could fit, as it is only 185mm long. question is of course if it's too wide.

This is the tank where i got the measurement from.

https://actionsportgames.com/en-gb/p...ncl--regulator
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