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Old 01-07-2020, 01:56 PM   #16
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I try to keep a self imposed MED of 50m when using my sniper at 3 - 3.5J, below that there's a risk of rupturing the skin.

20-30 meters is plenty at that range. It would be a rear occasion to cause a bleeder if you have that MED. 50 meters is way too long and very restricting.
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Yeaaah, that hurts hahaha.

I try to keep a self imposed MED of 50m when using my sniper at 3 - 3.5J, below that there's a risk of rupturing the skin.

I once shot a guy by accident at 20m, he did not like that. I was aiming for another guy at about 70m in a corridor of buildings, and the lucky subject passed running after the bb was already in the air. Got it to the side of the head, between the eye and the ear, no protection. It bled, of course.

Never had the chance to apologize to the guy, and felt bad for it.
I shot my partner at 50 FEET with my VSR, through a single layer of clothing (t-shirt). It bloodied her and left a welt, but no permanent damage.
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This is where I cry at my 500 fps sniper rules in the local area (still need to play at a field tho)!😢 I guess I need to move to Poland!
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Old 01-09-2020, 12:29 AM   #19
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Jsmithski has brought the most common ruleset but more and more fields in Poland adopting measuring Joules instead. The one I use to play has [email protected] 2.81J and [email protected] 3.31J plus possibility of weighting your bbs a few times during play.
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Jsmithski has brought the most common ruleset but more and more fields in Poland adopting measuring Joules instead. The one I use to play has [email protected] 2.81J and [email protected] 3.31J plus possibility of weighting your bbs a few times during play.

It is a bummer that DMR and sniper are so close in Joules. It gives sniper no real advantage.
Our club has
Full auto at 1.13j (Assault)
Semi Auto at 1.9j (DMR)
Bolt Action at 3.3j (Sniper)


Each Role has an advantage.
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1.13J for assault makes no sense imho, you got no range at all, unless it’s a very small field. So what’s your CQB limit?
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I mean there's plenty of dedicated snipers operating under 1J- range is mostly about the BB weight.
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I understand that but still, it’s missing the fear factor. In Poland when you hear “sniper!” you really duck and cover for a reason 😄
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Oh I agree- having a distinct and properly-tuned difference between power levels for standard, DMR, and sniper rifles is important in my opinion.
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1.13J for assault makes no sense imho, you got no range at all, unless itís a very small field. So whatís your CQB limit?

1.13 is CQB limit which is Full Auto. At 1.13 joules people still get good range with 0.25-0.28gm bb's.
Here are the approximate ranges for each role. (NOTE: You can get a little more range by aiming extra high)
Full auto at 1.13j (Assault) (55-60 meters)
Semi Auto at 1.9j (DMR) (65-70 meter)
Bolt Action at 3.3j (Sniper) (75-85 meters)


Poland's range would be:
[email protected] 2.81J (70-80 meters)
Springers (Sniper) @ 3.31J (75-85 meters)
With ranges this close, why would someone want to be a sniper when a DMR would have a way bigger advantage. I would rather be able to send a lot of bb's down to the target if it is only a 5 meter difference. Bolt Action/Springers are way out gunned.
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The US typically has similar rules that make the Sniper role less advantageous. I only continue to use Bolt Actions due to having already built them years ago. If I was a new player or starting from scratch I would absolutely run a custom Wolverine MTW DMR.

Some mil sims drop the DMR limit enough to make sniping worthwhile, but considering that HPA players always cheat (it's a fact, look it up) it never really matters when they crank the regulators back up. Blah Blah zip ties, blah blah... no one ever checks those after chrono.
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My field next month is going to Joules, using this chart

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It's kind of a crap shoot around here in Houston. Not much in the way of outdoor fields like there used to be, but one of the more popular one in town has a 1.88j limit for DMRs and a 2.81j limit for snipers.

IMO, Third Coast Airsoft has THE best ruleset:

Rifleman- 1.55j with a .32g BB, 0ft MED
DMR- 2.1j with a .32g BB, 50ft MED
Sniper- 3.6j with a .32g BB, 100ft MED

They also limit the number of DMRs and Snipers.
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It's kind of a crap shoot around here in Houston. Not much in the way of outdoor fields like there used to be, but one of the more popular one in town has a 1.88j limit for DMRs and a 2.81j limit for snipers.

IMO, Third Coast Airsoft has THE best ruleset:

Rifleman- 1.55j with a .32g BB, 0ft MED
DMR- 2.1j with a .32g BB, 50ft MED
Sniper- 3.6j with a .32g BB, 100ft MED

They also limit the number of DMRs and Snipers.
Don’t forget SMG and LMG classes!!

I’m just glad my local field tries to emulate the TCA ruleset as best possible within the confines of the site insurance policy.

It also helps that the local community is dominated by milsim players with TCA events being the most common option.
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1.13J for assault makes no sense imho, you got no range at all, unless it’s a very small field. So what’s your CQB limit?

1.13 is CQB limit which is Full Auto. At 1.13 joules people still get good range with 0.25-0.28gm bb's.
Here are the approximate ranges for each role. (NOTE: You can get a little more range by aiming extra high)
Full auto at 1.13j (Assault) (55-60 meters)
Semi Auto at 1.9j (DMR) (65-70 meter)
Bolt Action at 3.3j (Sniper) (75-85 meters)


Poland's range would be:
[email protected] 2.81J (70-80 meters)
Springers (Sniper) @ 3.31J (75-85 meters)
With ranges this close, why would someone want to be a sniper when a DMR would have a way bigger advantage. I would rather be able to send a lot of bb's down to the target if it is only a 5 meter difference. Bolt Action/Springers are way out gunned.
Completely agree on the DMR vs BASR. But those ranges you’ve cited are inmho horseshit 🙂 1.13j won’t give you 60m on any bb. I was able to achieve something close to that on my rhopped Daytona with short barrel and shooting [email protected], but then I was testing range on .36g so I’m sure joule creep was enormous. No way 1.13j will give you that. No fucking way. Nope. Show me 😄
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