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Old 02-07-2020, 11:34 PM   #1
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Should I get the SSG10 or...

Hey everyone! I have this pressing question to ask. I have seen the SSG10, and it looks really nice, but I really don't want to buy a Novritsch gun. So! What are your thoughts and ideas as an alternative? At this point, I am literally making my goal to make more excuses why Novritsch's guns are in some way obsolete. One idea I had was A&K M24 with Maple leaf bucking, 6.03 barrel (haven't decided brand), upgraded hopup arm and tdc. Airseal diy mods for 100%, and maybe a homemade wood stock (I have a buddy who does woodworking, trying to convince him to try making a stock). Thoughts? Opinions?
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Old 02-07-2020, 11:46 PM   #2
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Hey everyone! I have this pressing question to ask. I have seen the SSG10, and it looks really nice, but I really don't want to buy a Novritsch gun. So! What are your thoughts and ideas as an alternative? At this point, I am literally making my goal to make more excuses why Novritsch's guns are in some way obsolete. One idea I had was A&K M24 with Maple leaf bucking, 6.03 barrel (haven't decided brand), upgraded hopup arm and tdc. Airseal diy mods for 100%, and maybe a homemade wood stock (I have a buddy who does woodworking, trying to convince him to try making a stock). Thoughts? Opinions?
Time to join the dark side baby……

Of all seriousness except the price range the SSG10 will be better. The A&K M24 shines if you plan to mod very minimally so that you stomp at every other guns else with a much lower price tag, but the SSG10 wins at being the first immediately skirmishable rifle at a very reasonable price. Also that bold 25 year warranty is rad.

If there is something that has to said to be obsolete about the SSG10, then that would have to be the fact that the VSR platform is pretty dated which will trigger about almost everybody else here.

I guess you probably would want to wait for JG to make a watered down version and release it if you really wish to not support Novritsch.
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Old 02-08-2020, 01:26 AM   #3
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A more comprehensive list now that I have time to sit around and think

All the numbers are off the shelf and does not count towards taxes nor shipping

A&K M24:
- Gun itself: ~110 USD
- Magazine: ~4 USD (which is a mega bitch to find and incompatible with everything else)
- Barrel and bucking: ~62 USD if ML CJ and MR Hop
- Hop up arm: ~15 USD
- some minor modding such as groove removal and probably TDC which are too trivial to count
Total: ~191 USD

SSG10:
- Gun itself: 299 USD if you are an American since novritsch is bad at maths
- Magazine: ~8 USD if you buy CYMA 50 rounds or Marui, nothing says they are not compatible
- 25 year warranty and a case
Total: ~310 USD

Additional pros and cons for A&K:
+ The metals of the A&K are surprisingly not shit, despite the amazingly low price range it is in.
+ Thanks to its completely filled interior and possibly a great barrel to volume ratio, the A&K is mute - like very much so - when not dry fired.
+ The rifle doesn't have a problematic hop up chamber and can be used with minor modding regarding to removal of materials for other VSR barrels.
+ Outer barrel is more well secured and defined compared to the VSR.
- A&K plastics are dog shit. Like of all plastics they can pick they chose the literal worst type of plastic (probably acrylic) they can for no apparent reason, being very brittle and weak against impacts you will have to be careful when working on it.
- A&K M24 is extra heavy at 3.5kg unladen.
- A&K magazines are easily the hardest to find for. They also are unfortunately made up of that dog shit plastics I mentioned above and have about 15 rounds capacity which is incredibly low even among rifles. (Some people have 3 mags came with the rifle but mine only come with one……god knows why is that the case)
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- Hop-up bucking: Maple Leaf MR. HOP 60 Degrees
- Spring: Custom
- Cylinder: Edgi Nemo cylinder kit
- Chamber: Action Army blue chamber
- Spring Guide: Edgi Nemo cylinder kit
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Old 02-08-2020, 01:38 AM   #4
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What's the motivation for not buying it?
If it's the style of gun you want at the right performance level then don't let a personal feeling degrade that.
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Old 02-08-2020, 08:32 AM   #5
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What's the motivation for not buying it?
If it's the style of gun you want at the right performance level then don't let a personal feeling degrade that.
For years Novritsch has represented a generation of airsoft snipers who pay for a rifle that has been fully ready to field out of the box (feels sort of like a pay-to-play noob move if you ask me). I have also done a good load of research on airsoft tech, and I don't want to let that go to waste. I just don't want to field a gun that doesn't require any TLC and represents such a novice player (call me prideful lol).
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Old 02-08-2020, 09:07 AM   #6
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Sucks, but that research should show that the ssg10 is an objectively good choice... change the barrel and hop if you desire, then it's not just an ssg10 that you did nothing to. Then, fix the scratchy pull and fashion some better guide rings for it, maybe mod for a one piece, aligned barrel
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Old 02-08-2020, 09:23 AM   #7
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Hahahaha here it is! Our first should I buy an SSG10 post!

This is a historic moment people. The beginning... or the end?

Anyway here's my answer.

Yes.



Also, just because Nov is making it and you don't like him is a silly reason not to buy it. I'm no huge fan either but you have to admit he has some good products, and even stocks other good items (like the DTD Mk23 holster). You still use a cell phone don't you? Maybe even one from Apple? You know those are made and manufactured under horrendous work conditions right? Has that stopped you from buying and using one? Didn't think so, and that's a much more egregious business decision than just copying designs and remaking it (with improvements).
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Old 02-08-2020, 09:38 AM   #8
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will his 25 year warranty still apply if you start upgrading parts?
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Old 02-08-2020, 09:42 AM   #9
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Does it matter? Do you think he'll be around in 25 years? I'd just check his website or email them.

Honestly there's not much on his rifle that can or will break without you trying to do it or falling on it. What would you even change?
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Old 02-08-2020, 10:02 AM   #10
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Anyway if you don't like something on it you could just change it out. Then you don't have to buy upgrades for the whole thing as some of the upgrades in it are good I am sure.
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Old 02-08-2020, 10:24 AM   #11
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With it's 25 years warranty, I think even your child will still be able to use it. Might be he'll/ she'll like it better than you.😂😂😂
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Old 02-08-2020, 10:41 AM   #12
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Does it matter? Do you think he'll be around in 25 years? I'd just check his website or email them.

Honestly there's not much on his rifle that can or will break without you trying to do it or falling on it. What would you even change?
That bucking gotta go if Maple Leaf made the better MR hop. I'm seriously not sold on those metal C-rings for all the grief they gave me during my tuning tests.

I think his warranty would be "void if you disassembled and changed the parts of the rifle"........but yeah after 25 years I'm an old man and so will he, who knows if that 25 years warranty is gonna stay anyway. Unless he has children and there comes Novritsch the 2nd or something.
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- Hop-up bucking: Maple Leaf MR. HOP 60 Degrees
- Spring: Custom
- Cylinder: Edgi Nemo cylinder kit
- Chamber: Action Army blue chamber
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Old 02-08-2020, 10:42 AM   #13
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I can't imagine changing the bucking would void it. That would be a PR nightmare for him.

I agree on the C rings.
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Old 02-08-2020, 11:07 AM   #14
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I can't imagine changing the bucking would void it. That would be a PR nightmare for him.

I agree on the C rings.
Why would it be? It's pretty trivial for every company or retailer to void one's warranty if the user modded their products/items (Silverback for instance, stated clearly if you disassembled your gun you void your warranty......and proceeded to say "but we will still show you how to disassemble it correctly since you guys will do so anyway", kek). I can't imagine Novritsch would be different either especially since changing the bucking involves disassembling about half of the rifle itself.

A company simply cannot allow a product that is modified to still be protected by warranty as this could end up having people sending in back the products botched up by the users' sloppy work which means big losses and a world of pain.
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- Cylinder: Edgi Nemo cylinder kit
- Chamber: Action Army blue chamber
- Spring Guide: Edgi Nemo cylinder kit
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Old 02-08-2020, 01:13 PM   #15
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Sure. If you are ok with loudness and scratchy bolt and piston twang.

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