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Old 02-12-2020, 03:53 PM   #1
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Looking at purchasing a VSR 10 pro and wanting to know what upgrades I should get

Hi there everyone, im new to this forum and I’m looking at playing a different style mode and going with the sniper. I’ve been told to get the VSR 10 as it’s great for a starter sniper and it has limitless upgrades to give it and you’ll never struggle to find parts. So I did some research, I’ve looked up and down this forum for help on what upgrades I should look at getting and this is what I’ve ended up with:

AA zero trigger system 90degree w/ piston
Action army hop up chamber
High quality inner barrel edgi 435mm
panthera concave nub
Army action Teflon cylinder w/ head kit
70 duro 3/16ths" thick sorbo
Maple leaf mr hop bucking
Laylax spring sp170
Rotary spring guide

That’s what I’ve got so far. I’ve not done massive research. I’m just wondering if that’s all the right stuff to get or if anyone knows what I should swap out or if I’m missing anything it would greatly be appreciated for the help.

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Old 02-12-2020, 04:03 PM   #2
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You could do all that. Or you could just buy an SSG10.
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Old 02-12-2020, 07:05 PM   #3
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That’s pretty much all you need, for the barrel Edgi is one of the best, I would recommend their stainless stainless barrel. All you need are some heavy weight bbs and you’ll be good to go, I personally use bls .45g bbs, their pretty decent for their price
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Old 02-12-2020, 07:07 PM   #4
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I forgot to add, but if money isn’t a issue reliku makes a awesome full one piece upper receiver, had it on my Vsr and it was amazing
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Old 02-13-2020, 07:08 AM   #5
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At this point, my goto hop barrel recommendations are: morpheus barrel, morpheus rhop patch, modify (or airsoft philospher) flat bucking. They even do 370mm barrels.

Put these things in an ssg10 and it will be a very very good rifle)
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Old 02-13-2020, 07:50 AM   #6
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Curious, why are you recommending that set up?

AFAIK the morpheus R Hop patch hasn't even been released yet (skirmshop page says "more info coming soon").

In addition, where is the testing on the other components, as I haven't seen that either. Is this with an AA chamber? Something else?
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Old 02-13-2020, 09:09 AM   #7
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-Morpheus barrels are doing great. -Mustang is using the rhop patch and he generally uses what he believes to be good, so I doubt they are bad.
-I thought a first batch was out and has been extremely succesful.
-Theoretically, the mrhop just tries to be an rhop, so I imagine an actual well made rhop, made for a specific barrel would be atleast as good.
-In the combo that I present, airseal is also better than an mrhop settup.
-forgot to mention, but yeah, the AA chamber is better for unbridged barrels due to the super long and premature window location, so yes. This is should be with an AA chamber (but others probably work fine too (?))
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Old 02-13-2020, 09:15 AM   #8
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About R hops, I don't know how many times I have to rattle this concept, but you can't just make a generic patch and expect it to work as well as it should. It needs to be tuned, and fitted, and the nub needs to be adjusted to make it absolutely right...otherwise, it's all manure, save your money, and go with a Maple Leaf. Sure, it'll be ok, but it won't be epic... :)
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Old 02-13-2020, 10:53 AM   #9
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To that Zero, I must say you're probably right, but I never said this was the best possible settup. It's probably towards the top of what you can get without making it yourself. Even if it's not epic, it'll outperform a maple leaf.

Also, that seems to contradict a little bit of what you have said in the past. I remember you saying at one point that the patch is not the important part that needs to be tuned. Once the patch is perfectly flush with the inner and outer, it is done and correct. The nub is the part that needs tuning. If this is true, then I would think an injection molded/machine made patch may fit the first criteria perfectly, but the nub is still up in the air...
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Even if it's not epic, it'll outperform a maple leaf.

Ok, you're free to say that. Until you can prove it it's the same old song and dance.

Also, regarding air seal, it's not nearly as important as many have been led to believe. It doesn't need to hold air for 10 minutes with your finger over the barrel. It simply needs to not leak air when a ~.48g bb is the only thing offering resistance.
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Ok, you're free to say that. Until you can prove it it's the same old song and dance.

Also, regarding air seal, it's not nearly as important as many have been led to believe. It doesn't need to hold air for 10 minutes with your finger over the barrel. It simply needs to not leak air when a ~.48g bb is the only thing offering resistance.
I get what you're saying, and you're right for saying you want testing first. I'm basing all of this on the design of the mr-hop, and making the assumption that it'll get similar performance with perfect seal, which, while perfect seal may not be totally essential, can't hurt to have for another $10
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I get what you're saying, and you're right for saying you want testing first. I'm basing all of this on the design of the mr-hop, and making the assumption that it'll get similar performance with perfect seal, which, while perfect seal may not be totally essential, can't hurt to have for another $10
Rule 1: Test, don't guess...make no assumptions.

Rule 2: Perfect airseal is ALWAYS essential. Critical even.
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Define perfect. Holding a finger over the barrel for 1-10 minutes is overkill. A bb doesn't cause that much resistance. It's not a bad thing if you can do that, but it's not needed.

I've had multiple rifles now where the seal isn't perfect register to within 3 fps shot to shot (often better). That's within margin of error for most airsoft chronos (I've got that orange acetech one or something). The rifles that do seal? Also within 3 fps. No better. No worse.

Hell, I even have an old Maruzen L96 I'm trying to get a TNT hop chamber to work in. AWFUL seal at the nozzle to bucking interface. I mean 500fps spring giving 300fps. Also chronos within 3 fps shot to shot. BB flight is consistent (if wimpy).

I think the idea of seal needs to be considered from multiple points. The piston cup/o-ring. The cylinder head to cylinder. The nozzle to bucking. The bucking to barrel.

Breaks in seal at different areas can absolutely have adverse results. With the piston, if it seals too late, or seals inconsistently, you would see loss in power or... inconsistency. Cylinder to cylinder head? Loss in power and/or consistency depending on severity. Air loss bucking to barrel? Loss in power and consistency (although this is an assumption as I've never had a bucking not seal at the bucking to barrel interface and I always PTFE tape my buckings). The nozzle to bucking interface can also result in a loss in power but seems to be the least important for accuracy and consistency in my testing.
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Agreed DMD, there has to be a tolerance there of some kind. I built a PSI gauge I plug into the end of the barrel for measuring the actual air pressure in case the BB's weren't consistent. If I'm really getting picky I'll grab a handful off BB's and measure and weigh them, say in groups of 20, to see how consistent the mechanism is. I'll accept a variance of +/- 1 fps. So Say the gun is listed at 475 fps, it chronos 474 low, and 476 high and it has to do that for 10 shots in a row. Then I'll consider that as 'good enough'. I know any variance after that is ammo.

Now as you say, consistent can still be consistent...as long as the leak is consistent. I don't tape my buckings, I use a moldable adhesive. NO leaks whatsoever. I also use a laser to align nozzle to bucking, also eliminating side play...and so on.

Yeah, it's all over the top, but I have the time, and it goes and gets just that little bit extra.
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Old 02-13-2020, 03:02 PM   #15
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Ok. Your set up is good. Go for it.
Personally I would also get a maple leaf stock. Perhaps also a vsr-x/r/u reciever or otherwise the action army/maple leaf barrel and receivers.

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