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#1 ·
As you guys probably know, airsoft philosopher just came out with their new Vsr 10 chamber specifically designed for their barrel and bucking, essentially it’s a er hop with a nub perfectly fitted for the bucking/barrel and a tdc mod which I actually love, do you guys think it’ll preform good/as good as a action army chamber or maybe even better? Just preorder one and I’m going to try it out once I get it
 
#2 ·
As you guys probably know, airsoft philosopher just came out with their new Vsr 10 chamber specifically designed for their barrel and bucking, essentially it's a er hop with a nub perfectly fitted for the bucking/barrel and a tdc mod which I actually love, do you guys think it'll preform good/as good as a action army chamber or maybe even better? Just preorder one and I'm going to try it out once I get it
It's cool but it's 250$ for the barrel + chamber to the states. Action army + AA barrel or similar for under 50$ should be close.
 
#3 ·
The only benefit I can see is a tdc with external adjustment for ease of use. But you can do a TDC mod on the aa. I’m definitely looking forward to your results. But I think that performance for an airsoft replica is maxed out. I don’t think this “new and improved” setup will be any more accurate than parts and adjustments that are already out there.
 
#4 · (Edited)
It's theoretically better than AA in every single way. I picked up a set of their stuff and am very excited to try it out. There are so many very large changes that I wouldn't be suprised if there was an atleast noticeable difference in terms of performance.

Also @blind people said the same thing about the autobot, and then the mr-hop came out.
 
#6 ·
As you guys probably know, airsoft philosopher just came out with their new Vsr 10 chamber specifically designed for their barrel and bucking, essentially it's a er hop with a nub perfectly fitted for the bucking/barrel and a tdc mod which I actually love, do you guys think it'll preform good/as good as a action army chamber or maybe even better? Just preorder one and I'm going to try it out once I get it
BTW you only buy the nub bucking combo if you are going to rhop. If not the other bucking is the one you want to buy with a patch already designed into it.
 
#7 ·
It's an AA chamber with an external TDC and metal nub. That's it. It's not going to increase range or consistency beyond a good AA install. I would say if you don't already have an AA chamber this may be a good purchase for two reasons.

It will be easier to ensure it's installed straight every time.
It will be easier to adjust.
End.
 
#9 ·
Autobot to Mr-hop... 🙂
Sodium you do have a very good point. The bucking definitely has a huge impact with the contact patch, effecting the bb passing the patch to begin its journey.

For a hop chamber though, the aa holds the barrel very securely, and is capable of an excellent air seal. It applies pressure from the top onto the bucking. There's not much you can improve on that. The physical way of "how the pressure is applied" is so microscopic, I don't see how another chamber would improve it.

It's like ringing a door bell. You press the button. Are you saying if you use a larger contact area on your finger to press the doorbell, it will provide a better electrical contact and notify the resident more effectively? No, you push the button, contacts are made to signal the buzzer, and that's that.
 
#13 ·
Someone got hold of this set up in Sniper Ops (and posted in a VSR group im not a member of). Reported 80% air seal without PTFE tape on the nozzle (which will wear off).

Also says as of now it's all proprietary unless he makes a new nub for smaller windowed barrels.

He had a few other comments on the TDC feeling loose and the install sounds like it's just as much of an issue aligning the bucking as it is on an AA chamber.

The results he said were very good shooting out of his window, but also said similar results could be had for "60 euro" set ups which I assume is a reference to AA set ups.

I'd link to it but can't figure out how so just find it on the Sniper Ops FB page. With it being proprietary as of now and with the TDC feeling loose... I don't have high hopes for this being the next best thing out there. For a 200+ set up I'd expect tactile clicks or at least a very tight fit on the TDC. The airseal issue probably isn't a big one as we've seen with MR Hop, but considering he's asking you to shell out all this money for a whole new barrel group and bucking...

Interested to see others impressions as these start getting delivered. As of now I'd personally still go with AA/Panthera/ML Bucking route with an aftermarket TDC knob if you really want it unless you have money to burn.
 
#15 · (Edited)
FIRST AIRSOFT PHILOSOPHER REVIEW
review by Kaius Filius on facebook

So lets talk about this.
I got my hands on it yesterday, bacause I know Airsoftphilosopher and he lives only a few minutes from me. I think orders will ship today or yesterday (?), because something with shipping got delayed due covid-19.

But now the important things:
The chamber itself has an amazing build quality, it has many new specs that help you get your BB fly damn straight and far.
The BB curve (tested with .45g BLS BBs) is very straight and the accuracy unbelievable. But I could only test it out of my window and that's not very meaningful, so have to test it on field.

The Philosopher Chamber is made for the Philosopher Barrels and buckings.
With all this it is quite expensive (I think I spend 200€ for barrel, bucking and chamber?) but in my eyes it is worth it. It's also ok when you get with your 60€ setup the same or similar results.
With the barrel bucking and chamber combo I could not achieve a perfect airseal (would say 80% airseal), but no problem, the airseal between nozzle and bucking is superb. Only behind the bucking some air can get out. I put a layer ptfe tape where the bucking and the barrel come together and viola: perfect airseal. I talked about this "issue" with Philosopher and he told me in his chambers he tested the airseal was overall perfect.

I like the C-clip very much, it gives you a really straight barrel and aligns everything. Also it holds your barrel very good in place, no play or something like that any more.
Next the Nub, its very good engeneered and has 0 play in the chamber window. The TDC gives you a very precise adjustment but in my opinion it's a little bit loose without the two O-rings which it came with.

However you have to drill a hole in your Outer, but its kinda easy with the build in hole gauge. Only thing is I did not know how to tide the chamber in my outer without a barrel and a chamber block. I managed to put the one screw in and tide it a little bit, that worked for me.
Next you have to install the bucking very carefully and really straight because you can not turn it in the chamber. But when you give yourself some time it will work.

All in all I can say this will be my go to chamber and it is in many ways superb to the AA-chamber. But I have not tried another barrel in it, so I assume it's only compatible to Airsoftphilosopher barrels or TNT barrels. But when I talked to Airsoftphilosopher he told me he would maybe release a nub for smaller windowed barrels.

‼This chamber needs a AEG grove to put the C-clip in!!! So when you want to try it out keep in mind you got a hybrid barrel or a mill �� AEG barrel will work maybe but you need a VSR bucking.
Stay safe guys and girls!
 

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#16 · (Edited)
Seems like promising results, with seal approximately like the AA chamber. Teflon tape fixed any sealing issues (I think?). I'm not quite sure if I understand the loose TDC thing as he seems to imply it isn't loose with the two supplied o-rings (which presumably are meant to be on there in the first place?)

@Accurate he didn't put ptfe tape on the nozzle, he did the standard ptfe tape mod.
 
#17 ·
You must have posted the version from the VSR group which I'm not a member of. The one from Sniper Ops was slightly different. He obviously doesn't have English as his first language.

He made it sound like the leak was coming from the back of the bucking on the one I read and he wrapped the nozzle with tape to fix it. In addition, I either missed the O ring thing in the post I saw or it wasn't there. Of course the language barrier could cause confusion with all of this. He also didn't have anything about the AEG stuff on the one I saw haha.

I would hope the TDC has tactile clicks. If blind sniper can make one that does it for a couple bucks I would expect a chamber like that to include it.
 
#18 ·
Accurate I was actually thinking about that, the firm clicks. A standard tdc mod with a nut and bolt/screw doesn’t always hold hop position very well. I’ve noticed myself adjusting it more because it can spin while running around and shooting etc. What I did was put Teflon on the tdc screw to help keep the threads a little more snug. A dab of rtv might work too. Being in the US it’s like $80-$100 for the AP chamber to your, so I’d also appreciate a more firm knob adjustment!
 
#21 ·
For the record, the reason the AP barrel cannot use other barrels IS NOT because of the C-clip. It can work without that and use grub screws like the AA chamber. It can't use other barrels because the nub is too large for their windows. Depending on market demand, it seems AP might release a smaller nub made for smaller windows as well, allowing use of all the other barrels. We'll probably find out after the initial wave of chamber reviews.
 
#22 ·
I think everyone's issue is that he didn't do that from the get go.

He basically said, "I'm going to require you to buy ALL of my proprietary equipment to make the most money I can when there's no proof the larger nub and window provides ANY benefit over all of the others beyond me telling you that it does." Very Novritsch Full Thrust of him.
 
#23 · (Edited)
I see where your coming from. I view this one more as someone genuinely trying to change the sport and make a hard improvement to something that hasen't been changed in years. There does get to a point where the only way to make improvements to something is to fundamentally change the design...

We can argue for days about whether their change is that big. I think the c-clip thing is going to be extremely nice from a teching perspective, as the hopup should be more consistent between installs. That said, it shouldn't really make a difference durring actual use. There's no real rotational force applied to the barrel durring firing. Only actual testing will truly tell us if the whole nub size thing will make a difference.t

Back to the novi comparison, only other thing I have to say is that while what you're saying makes total sense, the AP kit is obviously just way higher quality and priced because of that. If they aren't lying (and I'm pretty sure they aren't,) the barrels are something like 5x as hard as all the other barrels on the market. (1250HV).

I see where you guys are coming from. I'm just seeing it less as a cash grab like full thrust, and more as someone actually trying to make major improvements (again, you can argue whether the improvements they are making actually make a difference or not, but that's a differen't conversation.)

I don't want to make myself or AP look bad, so I'll stop defending/fanboying over them from here on out... also the convo is just gonna go in circles until someone out there can do some genuine testing.
 
#24 ·
So the C clip isn't a new idea. The Maruzen L96 stock hop up used one with it's barrel. That's not to say its a bad idea, but grub screws do just as well if you loc tite them in my experience.

The wider window and nub has also seen some use, although more recently, with the Modify X range buckings. Those seem to get good results from those who have used them, but no one's claiming significant difference in range or accuracy over Autobot, MR, or R hop set ups.

Like I said before, I wouldn't buy an AP chamber personally, but that's because I already have a CNC TDC chamber with the AA set up. IF he had made it to work universally, and IF the TDC had tactile adjustment, I would wholeheartedly recommend this chamber to those building new rifles (assuming there isn't some QC disaster). As of now, I'm going to hold off and eat my popcorn.
 
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