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Old 05-15-2020, 07:32 PM   #1
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economic base or a good stok base?

Hello comrades, I hope you are well,
The truth is that I hardly know them and I have been researching and learning on YouTube,
I hope not to bother
I thank you for what you share here,
I want my first sniper,
and with information from here plus what I investigated,
I have some doubts that I hope you can express frankly.

1 I can get an economic base vsr and keep improving,

these would be my option;

https://www.evike.com/products/45068/


https://www.evike.com/products/33658/




2 I can get one that is better from stock, like srs or ssg10,
of better quality and a better base remains.


These are my doubts as a novice in this topic, and I want to know which of these options are more efficient in terms of an optimal operation, and which parts are key to making them even better.


If it is worth the price? Or is that precisely the difference between better rank and grouping?
Or does working on it give the same? is there a better basis?
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Old 05-15-2020, 11:04 PM   #2
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Hello comrades, I hope you are well,
The truth is that I hardly know them and I have been researching and learning on YouTube,
I hope not to bother
I thank you for what you share here,
I want my first sniper,
and with information from here plus what I investigated,
I have some doubts that I hope you can express frankly.

1 I can get an economic base vsr and keep improving,

these would be my option;

https://www.evike.com/products/45068/


https://www.evike.com/products/33658/




2 I can get one that is better from stock, like srs or ssg10,
of better quality and a better base remains.


These are my doubts as a novice in this topic, and I want to know which of these options are more efficient in terms of an optimal operation, and which parts are key to making them even better.


If it is worth the price? Or is that precisely the difference between better rank and grouping?
Or does working on it give the same? is there a better basis?
I will just assume you have played airsoft for a few times with an AEG.

Would not recommend the SSG10 at this point. It seems there are still weird QC problems as of 16/5 and hence isn't recommended.

So far if you are set in playing with standard style rifles (or VSR systems), I would suggest the AAC T11. It's upgradable with usual VSR stuff, but as a stock gun it's plenty good enough.

Personally I'm not a fan of buying a cheap VSR clone and upgrading a rifle. In the end you are still looking at spending money not too far off from buying an SRS and have to figure out parts compatibility that is, amazingly, still poorly documented even after 10 years.
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Old 05-16-2020, 09:24 AM   #3
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Ok, thanks brother
So I have a question, a VSR, L96, or other well-worked models have the same performance, as a well-worked SRS? or to say this is to disrespect?


and the SRS what changes do you need to be even better? which would be the necessary and mandatory upgrades.
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Old 05-16-2020, 10:13 AM   #4
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SRS is pretty much good out of the box. You can do upgrades like a new bucking, barrel and piston, but those are really small perfectionist changes.

All of the upgraded guns should perform the same as each other, the SRS being easiest and L96 being the hardest to work up. A nice upgraded VSR should cost about the same as an SRS, unless you want to do some DIY stuff. The new gunsmithy TDC seems to be a great budget VSR solution that could have you have a good VSR build under $350, leaving that as the cheapest option but the most "DIY."

Imo, the best way to build a killer gun on a tighter budget is to find something used that already has great parts.
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Old 05-16-2020, 02:42 PM   #5
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If you consider buying the ssg10 as buying the parts which require some light after work, it's still a great deal.
You need to see through the fanboys and haters. The quality control isn't any worse than other stock gun, but normally you don't expect flawless stock gun, you'd tear apart a stock bar 10/vsr 10 after a few shots because you bought it with the idea of upgrade it already in mind.
As someone who owned both highly upgraded vsr and ssg10, I can say all you need is some tape to shim the receiver to stock and a bit of filing on the spring stopper and it will be a really smooth gun, then just clean the bucking and barrel.
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Old 05-16-2020, 09:46 PM   #6
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If you consider buying the ssg10 as buying the parts which require some light after work, it's still a great deal.
You need to see through the fanboys and haters. The quality control isn't any worse than other stock gun, but normally you don't expect flawless stock gun, you'd tear apart a stock bar 10/vsr 10 after a few shots because you bought it with the idea of upgrade it already in mind.
As someone who owned both highly upgraded vsr and ssg10, I can say all you need is some tape to shim the receiver to stock and a bit of filing on the spring stopper and it will be a really smooth gun, then just clean the bucking and barrel.




I can say then that the difference lies in the quality of the base material, because an internal level after they are updated has the same performance.
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Old 05-16-2020, 10:55 PM   #7
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Ok, thanks brother
So I have a question, a VSR, L96, or other well-worked models have the same performance, as a well-worked SRS? or to say this is to disrespect?


and the SRS what changes do you need to be even better? which would be the necessary and mandatory upgrades.
Really unless the gun is extremely bad structurally (which neither the 3 are bad in the first place), they can perform pretty much the same. There is no situation where you can nail with the VSR but not with the SRS, provided you've used both guns before and have good understanding for both of them.

There are no real "necessary/mandatory upgrades" unlike VSRs as all parts regarding to structural integrity is already very good. It's smooth, the sears are carbon steel and in 90 degrees, it's incredibly quiet, chamber is good (if a bit annoying to tune). If you have to swap something then probably use your own favourite bucking and barrel - it's AEG spec.

There are however a few parts that are good for a quality of life update, for instance the FAST hop (for easier hop up adjustment), the variable mass piston for Joule creeping, and better bolt knobs.
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Old 05-17-2020, 06:16 AM   #8
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SRS is pretty much good out of the box. You can do upgrades like a new bucking, barrel and piston, but those are really small perfectionist changes.

All of the upgraded guns should perform the same as each other, the SRS being easiest and L96 being the hardest to work up. A nice upgraded VSR should cost about the same as an SRS, unless you want to do some DIY stuff. The new gunsmithy TDC seems to be a great budget VSR solution that could have you have a good VSR build under $350, leaving that as the cheapest option but the most "DIY."

Imo, the best way to build a killer gun on a tighter budget is to find something used that already has great parts.
Just don't buy something that says 'it is a quick fix but I don't have the time and I need the money to upgrade my Krytac'.

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Old 05-17-2020, 06:53 AM   #9
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I can say then that the difference lies in the quality of the base material, because an internal level after they are updated has the same performance.
The ssg10 trigger parts are hardened steel, you can't drill it with common HSS drill bits.
The cylinder is not hardened, but I'm also not aware any mass produced, hardened steel cylinder.
Nov has that 25 year guaranty but I don't think any airsoft product is going to last 25 years (given you actually use it on a daily basis) but as individuo components, the ssg10 has all you need and beefy parts. However the assembly obviously is not given as much care as you would when you're building a rifle for yourself.

As I said, I bought the ssg10 thinking of it as parts, because so far there isn't a single gun I wouldn't improve, and the ssg10 surprisingly required very little work to get it to be a effective rifle that allows you to enjoy the sniper role.
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Old 05-17-2020, 03:05 PM   #10
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When stock the SRS probably has the most performance but it cost more. If all the rifles are upgraded to your club energy limit then they will all shoot about as accurate as each other.
So to find the best, you need to take into consideration other factors. Like, weight, length, bulk, ease of use, mag capacity, mag dimensions.

Here are a few things:
SRS: Has a big cylinder volume and so it is easier to get higher fps which can make for a lighter bolt pull. Reasonably heavy but compact so the weight is close to your shoulder. Because it is built so solid, the stock soaks up a lot of noise. Bolt pull feels like it is too close to your face. The magazine is massive and heavy with a low capacity. Also, it is difficult to change the mags if you have small hands.

VSR: Very Light weight but very strong. G-spec is not too long even with silencer. Silencer works too. It is longer than an SRS though. Nice bolt pull. Aftermarket mags have up to 55 rounds and are very compact so you can carry lot of them.

L96: Heavy. Long. Bulky. Cycle action for the bolt is not the best (Very mechanical). Mags are medium sized. Looks cool.

Echo M28: (I have not owned the Echo Version but have had a few M24's) Very heavy and solid. Long. Mags are medium sized.


Personally it does come down to taste, comfort and playstyle. Most people want to be fast and accurate and to be able to hold my own in a long battle. So choose equipment that is going to do this. Even if it does not look the coolest.
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