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Old 01-12-2021, 04:51 AM   #1
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Hybrid sight for a DMR - worth it?

Good day, folks!

I am just starting with Airsoft and, because I was talked down by basically everyone to start with a BASR, I have decided to pick G&G TR16 308SR.

But because:
1) it will take time for me to upgrade it all the way to a DMR platform,
2) so I will be using it also for CQB in the meanwhile, and
3) we will be drilling CQB with my team anyway,

I was wondering if it were worth getting a hybrid sight (side-foldable holographic sight with ACOG) instead of a traditional sniper scope?

If so, can you recommend any quality replicas that would cost below 200$?

Thank you kindly!


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Old 01-12-2021, 05:16 AM   #2
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Don't buy a g&g dmr.
They are bad.
Mostly because of cylinder volume.
Try to get a cyma platinum sr25 or ar10.

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Old 01-12-2021, 05:48 AM   #3
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I wouldn't.
Those things are bloody heavy and generally repros are pretty poor for the price.
You end up spending an unreasonable amount of money to get a really dark picture, some extreme ghosting and a generally more flimsy construction.

I would instead get a short dot (Low Power Variable Optic), still on the heavy side but they are one single piece without any flip up leverage that can shit the bed when you need it the most.
If you get a decent one you'll have a decent 1x (or 1.25x) and the ability to zoom in if needed.
I personally use a VisionKing 1.25-5x26 on my bolty and it's great. The glass is clear, 1.25x minimum magnification isn't that bad and 5x is good for spotting.
My only complaint is the eyebox not being super great, but it's a €50 optic, not a 1500 one :D
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Old 01-12-2021, 05:50 AM   #4
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Don't buy a g&g dmr.
They are bad.
Mostly because of cylinder volume.
Try to get a cyma platinum sr25 or ar10.

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Don't buy G&G in general I'd say, they're pretty meh at best.

The only one worth is the SSG-1 but it's not everyone's cup of tea.
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Old 01-12-2021, 09:14 AM   #5
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Thanks for feedback on the sight!

As for the weapon choice, is the cylinder volume something that can be fixed? And how does it affect the gameplay - is it the range and accuracy, or speed of shooting, or something else?

I mean, I am looking for a sturdy weapon (not any cheap plastic-ish feeling) that will serve for at least half a year in its stock version before I upgrade it (therefore internals should be already "upgraded", and I expect it to shoot well out of the box (not perfection, but definitely better than any common AEG). The thing with TR16 is I love the visual and from the looks of it, its pretty durable.

I was considering a SR25 platform before but visually, not really a fan of the ugly full stock.

Another possibility would be to get a custom made AR15 with Delta Armory base
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Old 01-12-2021, 09:48 AM   #6
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Cylinder volume will effect range and power. It is the amount of air that your gun cam output. The bigger your cylinder volume, the longer your barrel can be.
It can also affect the amount of joules your gun cam output. A larger cylinder volume will typically give more joules.
You cannot 'fix' it or increase it by much. You can reduce it fairly easily but no one wants that.
The g&g is a plastic gun and cam feel a bit crappy.
The cyma platinum ar10 is built like a brick sh*thouse. Nearly all of it is full metal and it is a superior gun overall.
It also looks pretty good and is preupgraded.
It is a little over $200 but the extra $50 is completely worth it.
If you get it, the only things that you will ever need to do to it to make it better is change the spring, barrel, bucking and gears to 18:1s as for some reason, cyma decided to put a high speed gearset into a dmr.


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Old 01-12-2021, 11:15 AM   #7
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Just be weary of the eye relief on the dot + magnifier combo. Most of them are very short. If you have face protection that is compatible with it, it can certainly work, but if you have to wear bigger goggles it's not going to be very convenient.
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Old 01-12-2021, 11:25 AM   #8
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The big problem I have with magnifies is that when they are flipped to the side, how will you prevent a bb shattering it?
I suppose you could order a scope cover for it, but then you have to work out what size you need and I am not sure of the exact dimensions.
I was going to order a theta optics magnifier to go with my theta optics eotech but I did not, purely because I would rather spend the money on a perun v2 optical mosfet.

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Old 01-12-2021, 11:40 AM   #9
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You can get acrylic round plexiglass off amazon
My experience with them are mixed thought. Half the batch I got wasn’t cut perfectly clean (just slight nicks, but otherwise fine). Outside of that thought, the ones I got was perfectly clear (as clear as you need them for airsoft anyways)
If you have access to a 3D printer, you can make a covering for your scopes. I use a large O ring as a means to dampen it more and to prevent the plexiglass from shattering from hits. An alternative method is to cut the cap of a plastic container out.
As a side note…if you choose to cut lexan yourself… both hot wire cutting and sanding methods ARE toxic, not nerve gas toxic but the less particulates in you the better. I don’t know why people keep saying on reddit it’s safe when it’s clearly not.
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Old 01-12-2021, 11:43 AM   #10
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You can buy scope protectors in a massive range of sizes on aliexpress. That is what I would have done should I have bought it.
If in doubt, always buy a larger one. If it is too big, just wrap some electrical tape around the front of the magnifier/scope.
I did use acrylic to reinforce the scope protector on my sniper scope.
I thought that it would not be enough to protect it, so I stacked 4 pieces of acrylic inside the scope protector and then taped the scope protector onto the scope so it would not fall off.

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If you're going to do CQB with any gun, you don't need sights, especially if you are wanting extra speed.
For DMR stuff, you'll want an LPVO, I like the Monstrum Tactical G2 1-6X24, but the Novritsch one costs less and is probably good.

For your gun, get a CYMA, they are full metal and really good quality, I'd give them an 85% and I'd give G&G a 70% or so in terms of everything.
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There is quite a bit of important info missing from this thread. Like here are you from and what kind of games are you going to? Not to mention what your rules are concerning DMRs and Bolt Actions.

For airsoft use, hybrid sights are dumb and not really practical. Most of the flip magnifiers for airsoft are cheap and very easy to break.

CQB- If you are using a DMR in CQB your kind of special. As in kinda stupid, special. If you are doing CQB regularly, either get really good with using a pistol, or buy a gun designed for CQB. Using a long rifle like a DMR is kind of a death sentence. Especially in tight confined spaces.

Lets talk about optics. I understand the Low Power Variable Optic thing. For airsoft, a fixed 4x is all you really need. I have variable scopes on all of my rifles, I have almost never used them past 4x. Even at major national level ops. Also variable scopes cost more and are heavier then fixed. That is a fact.

G&G are not that good. That primarily stems from their gearbox. They will grenade themselves pretty quick, and you will break the front of the gearbox off at some point. Not a matter of "If" but when.

No reason to not get a BASR as a starter rifle. Though the learning curve is going to be far more drastic, and a bit more costly to get a decent performing rifle. (Unless you get a Nov rifle, even then still a drastic learning curve) If you are doing CQB, LOL see my previous statement about that.

I do have recommendations, though I want more info before I give it. Just to make it as tailored as possible. Feel free to PM me.
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Old 01-12-2021, 11:53 PM   #13
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Don't know if this is any help.
I have a scope on my bolt action sniper that can go from 3x to 9x magnification. I normally have it at 4x but if I am trying to spot for the rest of a team I will amp up the magnification to try and pick out the enemies easier. This is what I have personally done and have found to be great at times.
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Unlike the rest, I think the G&G you picked up will be fine, supposing DMR Joule limit isn't insanely high. The cylinder volume is not that big of a deal and can certainly be mitigated. Also I think this particular rifle has empty mag detection , which is a nice touch for DMR, as it prevents dry firing which is both loud and more damaging.
LVPO is what I use on everything except BASR. Vector optics at around 100$ is definitely good enough for airsoft, I own LVPOs ranging from 90-400$ from them and I don't have complains.
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Old 01-13-2021, 08:27 AM   #15
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Like a couple of mentions, why did you pick a DMR? Have you played airsoft before? (this isn't meant as an insult but a point of inquiry). Alot of what you "think" you'd like or "believe" will be like are often changed once you have field experience. I surely know that was the case for me. Trying to clear a corner, get into cover, or make ready a weapon with a DMR would be way harder than something that’s short barrel in a CQB situation.

If you are set on a DMR, I found most people here suggest the CYMA SR-25 at a price point of about ~$250. Given the great resource and members here, you’d likely be able to get a lot more assistance in future upgrades if you run into problems.

I would actually suggest something like this:
https://www.evike.com/products/39653/

If you catch it on sale, it could be had for $115
-it's perfect for CQB
-it’s so cheap that if you find that you hate it, it didn’t break the bank
-The internals are set up such that I would argue is easier to work on than a version 2 gearbox, but that’s subjective, and depends if you ever want to go down that tech route. (I regret getting bit by the tech bug…all… I… do… is… tech – I’ve spend 10x more time teching than I have playing).
-Should you find yourself upgrading to a new platform, this is still a solid backup gun when your new primary fails – seeing this is airsoft, your primary will at some point fail
The down side I would say is the mags won’t be cross compatible with any other system – seeing how the m4 platform is by enlarge the most common around.

BUT….
https://www.evike.com/products/78647/
is on sale for $169 now, if you went the box mag convertor route, the high capcity m4 mag you use WOULD be compatible with other m4 platforms. The downside of this however is that shooting left handed would be slightly hampered
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