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Old 03-30-2018, 09:30 AM   #1
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Keeping score

Keeping score meaning, after game ended, being able to See how many deaths or respawns each team had.
Should be simple(in small fields atleast) to have a push button in each spawn, connedted to a display in the safezone for example.

I play at a small Indoor cqb field, they play team deathmatch with unlimited re spawns. Its fun and fast paced, and teams are often pretty Well balanced. Alot of times both sides Think Other team dominanted the match. Pretty awesome But also a bit irritating not knowing if your team Tactics made Your team come out on top or not.

Would keeping score in team deathmatches make your game more fun, less fun or make no difference at all?

Keeping score would introduce a centain level of competetivity to the game, and that would mean bigger incentive to cheat for some players.

Is it a stillBorn idea without a Way to keep cheating to a minimum?

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Old 03-30-2018, 09:49 AM   #2
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While a good idea, as you stated it would make people more competitive, and it's at that point players stop "feeling" their hits. Not to mention you'd need admins at each spawn point to ensure players are actually pressing the button, as I am sure there would be a lot of instances where they simply wouldn't to keep their score down. So in essence I think it would be less fun, as players on both sides would be accusing the other of cheating, while likely doing the same.
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Old 03-30-2018, 11:09 AM   #3
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I think it would be fun, just for the sake of seeing it, without making an actual competition about it.

In my opinion, airsoft and competition don't do well together. In a game that revolves all around fair play, "winning" and "losing" just doesn't fit in very well. Because as soon as it's about "winning" and "losing", peoples' egos start to come out and fair play goes out the door.

Big egos and anything promoting egos are the sworn enemy of gentlemen games like airsoft. Introducing a competition is the last thing you wanna do
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Old 03-30-2018, 01:31 PM   #4
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Thx for respondent, yes more people accusing eachoter of cheating aint a Good thing, neither is more people cheating. Thats Why i didnt Think people should be able to See scoreboard before after the game ended.

If it was personal scores, yes i Think more would forget to hit the buzzer, kill death ratios n so on. But if team scores when its just walk in games with alot of different people, and not teams with people wearing same team badge against another airsoft team, woudnt it just be the people who arent talking their hits to begin with that Wont hit the buzzer or would it be that much more widespread than i Think?

While Im a competetive type, i wanna give my opponent the credit Thats deserved. But knowing results of game would in my mind make it easier to improve my game and stragegys.

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Old 03-30-2018, 02:45 PM   #5
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Would be great, but I don't think it would work. Last year we had 2 tournaments in the local field, and both times the "winners" were not the best trained teams, or the ones that played better that day... but the ones that decided not to call any hits. At all.

Sadly any attempt at scoring seems to increase cheating to infinity and beyond.
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Really boils down to the game. If we are talking strictly TDM with unlimited respawns, does it even matter what the score is? Nope.

Where I play, we only play TDM as a warm-up and a quick game while we wait for the slow pokes to show up and get geared up. 2 respawns, and the game is done within 15 min. Then we move on to lets say King of the Hill or Nuclear Warfare.

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I have ref'd a few "ops" that my field puts on. Players ask me regularly what the scores are, and I either ignore them or tell them to go ask their commander.

As a player, you do not need to know the score of your team. You just need to focus on you and your team and the objective you were assigned. Knowing the score influences player actions, if your side is losing you are more likely to try and "up your game." There are really one 2 ways to do that. Try harder, or cheat. Cheaters like easy, and cheating is easy in airsoft. All about the "W."

Or if your side is losing extremely badly, you would likely pack it up and leave, as there would be no point in fighting a battle/game you will not win. You will likely think in the back of your mind the other side must be cheating to have such a lead.

Personally, if you are one who is all about being the best and winning all the time. I think you are in the wrong sport, as there is nothing to gain from being the best in airsoft.

A score is just a number. Nothing more. The only thing that makes you better is analyzing how you died, or who died, from where and by what, and what could have been done differently to avoid that. A score cannot tell you how good or bad you have really done. For all you know the enemy could have camped your spawn and shot the same group of newbies over and over again. Or they were just faster then you.
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Old 03-30-2018, 06:19 PM   #7
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Thx for contributing, its always appriciated to getting all You guys oppinions,

dimitri, its Very sad its like that. Competetive Gentlemans sports Can apparantly only work in 2-4 player situations.

Yeah i agree with the point that knowing score in middle of game Will Very likely be a bad idea.

I See Nothing wrong with a friendly competition, it happens without Numbers in most games.

Cheaters Will cheat Numbers or no numbers.

Being Best, or lets just say Very Good, in any amatour sport Gains You Nothing Other than personal satiesfaction and respect of your teammates, best medic, best teamplayer, best Breatcher, Best shooter, best.. lots of different options.

I agree airsoft Can never be uber competetive, And as You say, some Will give up, some Will cheat, some fight Harder to get out of the lock of a dominating oppositing team, Im sure the effect of this could be greater if we include Numbers to the game.

While i Do try to analyse my own situations, Im after getting better as a player and results in previous games is a motivating Factor to me, but To me airsoft is about working as a team if we want a to Do well. a number Is only a minor part of the equation, yet it is part of the equation and in a unlimeted spawn game one we never know.

But it sounds like consescus is that people Will haste loosing so much that they Will either cheat or leave. Thats just so sad.

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Old 03-30-2018, 06:35 PM   #8
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Personally, if you are one who is all about being the best and winning all the time. I think you are in the wrong sport, as there is nothing to gain from being the best in airsoft.
Unfortunately, there are people like this playing airsoft. Quite a few of them here where I live actually. Some people want to "win" all the time, even though in airsoft there is nothing to "win". They keep score and brag about it to no end, "I killed like 20 guys over there", while in reality he shot at a group of ten people and possibly hit two of them.

Then the worst part happens: "I shot all of them at 100 meters! But they're not hit! F***ing cheaters!". And now you have big egos shouting about that the enemy team is cheating, all of them, every single one of them. So what happens? The entire team mentality goes down. And all the other big ego players come up and go something like "oh, but if they're not calling their hits, then neither am I!", and voila, actual real life cheaters right there. The enemy team has a similar chemistry going on, and eventually evolves to cheating themselves. Usually this phenomenon happens somewhere around noon.

Around 2 pm of a typical game day, the honest players are tired of it and start to pack up. Usually this is where the game slowly starts dying out. And why? Because some players are so damn filled with their own big egos that they can't properly enjoy a day of shooting at other people and getting shot at themselves. Because they are so great and so tacticool awesome, they hit everything in sight and they can never be shot themselves, and everyone else must be a f***ing cheater if they don't agree with their awesomeness.

Those people, I see them at every game I play. They're part of the reason I haven't actually played a game since november. Airsoft has no place for people with big egos, yet unfortunately, there seems to be a lot of them.

Now imagine what would happen if you told those testosterone-filled gigantic egos that they can actually "win" and "lose" the game. The "they are cheaters!" calling will start straight away from the first minute. No, really, keeping score, even if it's only made clear after the game, is absolutely the last thing you wanna do, because if you're keeping score, then you can win, and if you can win, then the testosterone filled egos will take over the moment the first bb is fired

EDIT: sorry, I just read my own post and I think I let myself go a little bit there. Sorry about that. I'm just a bit emotional about the subject because I've had so many game days ruined by people trying to "win" the game. In airsoft there's nothing to win. It's not about keeping score. It's about having fun and being honest with eachother about when you get shot. Because we all know how it feels when you hit someone and they put up their hand. That's fun. Let eachother have that fun. Don't try to win, try to have fun. Because the moment people start to try to win, everybody loses.

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Old 03-30-2018, 06:58 PM   #9
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Halo Mill in UK has this:


When you respawn, you push a button. This button adds to the number on the scorescreen in the safezone.
It works well and doesn't have any negative side effects (other than more site equipment to maintain!).
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Kind of a double edged sword there. Airsoft is a game, there needs to be winners and losers. Without that, what would airsoft be?

Whats really the problem, is the decline of sportsmanship.
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Old 03-30-2018, 10:31 PM   #11
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Reliku, never feel bad for a rant like that! It is what it is, man...

Plazmaburn..'sportsmanship' indeed. Ever take a hit just because it was the right thing to do? I have...why not? A short walk t the spawn and we were back in. Big deal. :)
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Old 03-31-2018, 03:58 AM   #12
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Dont worry guys, i Knew it would be bit of a hornets nest, and ranting is okay.

Opjective based game has a Winning team, 2 respawn Tdm has winning team, and yes i also se people forgetting that they had already spawned 2 times, and sometimes people dont feel the hit just before they reach the flag. But the majority does follow the rules.
So Why cant unlimited tdm have a clear cut winning team list most of the Other games types.


Reliku, i also se people leaving because of Other team not talking their hits, “funny” thing is its often the same 2 people most times who leave, anger in voice, yelling that a group from the Other team never takes there hits and he shot Them umpteen times. When i shoot same people they Do take their hits most of the time. It seems many people who have played this game for many years has developed a zero tolerance towards cheaters and are letting it destroy the game for Them.

Not taking a hit Will result in a shoulder shrug from me, they Will just make me fight harder, in rare instances it does irritate me, But Will not let it destroy my game.

Thx for that link jeppe, i Will go watch that now.

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Old 03-31-2018, 12:07 PM   #13
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I disagree, Greenlurker. Calling your hit is everything. That's the fundamental premise of the game. The only thing worse than a cheap shot is not calling the hit. Lose that and there's no reason to play. I've walked off the field before because there was no point in wasting any more ammo. In fact, I'll be staying off that field this year.

The other field I attend is way less organized and far less 'OP', but as honourable as it gets. So, in the end, a more pleasant day overall. After all, still a game, right? :)
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Old 03-31-2018, 12:24 PM   #14
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Offcourse calling hits is everything.

But Im not willing to let cheaters ruin my day, and as u say, its a game not a competition...

I generally dont run into Flocks of cheaters, one or two in a game Thats irritating But Wont ruin my Day.
Maybe Thats also because of game style, i dont really have time to go airsofting in the weekends, so dont play outdoor alot.
The only field open on a weekday is Indoor cqb. Most hits are 1-10 m distance, Which normally results in a twitch from the person being hit. Less opertunities to cheat with a twitch and n aw...

Good for You, we should all Hunt for the fields where we have the Best game and community.

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Old 03-31-2018, 01:51 PM   #15
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Ever take a hit just because it was the right thing to do? I
I've taken hits that after evaluation ended up probably being heavy rain drops, twigs or other things falling out of the trees, lol.

Calling your hits is everything in airsoft. When I go play, I go out with the mindset that everyone on the field should have a good day and should enjoy the game. So if you're hit, or even think you're hit, call it, because it will bring a lot of joy to whoever shot you.

That is the ONLY mindset if you want to make airsoft work.

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Other team never takes there hits and he shot Them umpteen times
I've had a guy claim he shot a guy ten times in the face and he still didn't call his hit... LOL. If you shoot someone in the face ten times, not only will he call his hit, he'll walk up to you asking why the hell you keep shooting at his head

But no, these people.... these people go in with a different mindset. They don't go in with the intention to have fun, they go in with the intention to win, and if they win, then they'll consider it fun. Until they mature and realize that spawnraping isn't actually fun at all. And when they can't win, there must be a reason, which boils down to accusing the other team of cheating usually.

It's all down to the mindset. Actual cheating usually doesn't happen until both teams have been accusing eachother for a while. Barring some exceptions, of course
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