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Old 03-31-2020, 06:28 PM   #31
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What do you mean by this???
Your guns on average shoot about 70 meter?
Not even close. With my assault weapons 60m is a stretch. If I make a shot over 60m its because I have a tailwind and am lobbing shots.

The Russian guy is using almost the same set up I use, power is a little higher but BB weight is what I game with. So comparatively I can't see it working. I've built guns shooting a .3g at 2.0j and I just can't see it. We've got the same sniper platform and we are incredibly happy to make an 80m shot.

What I'm wondering is what would happen if we shoot indoors. We are getting rid of any interference with the BB. In theory, we would see a range boost. Not a valid test for in-game performance, and saying I can make a 90m shot indoor is not the same as saying I hit a target at 90m in-game.
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Old 03-31-2020, 06:58 PM   #32
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It will depend on the price point.

If he's going for a Basic AEG that gets him in the market all he has to do is make it on par with a standard CM16. It'll likely have an ML bucking and some sort of CNC hop chamber that will probably be a prowin/maxxx clone. And be "lipo ready," whatever that means. Guaranteed quick change spring, he says often the he hates having to pull things apart to change power levels. It won't have to have crazy range to win people over. Just consistent grouping.

I've noticed in NZ the main bulk of airsofters who are buying his gear are not tech-heads. They seem to usually be people who bought an airsoft gun, it broke and the customer service sucked in getting it fixed. So they went to Novi, honestly if he can make a reputable airsoft brand that is customer forced that's a win for airsoft as a whole.

If he goes more expensive. It'll have a more advanced Fet, 16 AWG wires and a decent motor. Trigger response sells.

As for the 90m shot at 1.5j on 0.3g. Thats almost exactly what I game with for my assault class. I'm calling only just plausible, but honestly, 70m is pushing it further then I'd believe. I wonder what any of my AEGs would do if I had an indoor testing range? It's spiked my curiosity that's for sure.
My opinion is that he will go with Specan arms and get them to use a steel inner barrel and maple leaf bucking and then he will say, look, this aeg is amazing and sell it for 350 when you can buy the same thing from specna for 230. And I will buy Specna's 300 gun with a gate titan and replace the inner barrel with a steel zci I have lying around. That or just buy a ghk ak74 gbbr. Because I like aks and the gbbr has strong blowback and real wood and uses a lct body.
Also, often people on this forum say that how it is put together counts and how well the parts fit. Don't forget that the Russian guy did say that they measured the hopup unit and found the exactly right one out of 11 different units I think. Not saying that this makes 90m plausible but it will improve the rifle, if just by 10 metres.

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Old 03-31-2020, 06:59 PM   #33
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Y'all forgot the existence of physics again?

There is only as much as a BB can do with field legal power (let's say 1.4-1.5 joules). Even at 2 joules .36 hitting 80m stuff consistently is a stretch. There is no voodoo, no matter the type of propulsion, it simply won't reach 80 meters consistently as the BB will simply not have the power to do so, and if it does it is questionable if it can even be felt.

I really doubt if Novritsch is gonna do anything particularly amazing other than probably having MOSFETs. He'd most likely be using Maple Leaf buckings and some brass barrels, none of which are particularly amazing.
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Old 04-01-2020, 03:58 AM   #34
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I think Novritsch guns are alright, the ssg10 a1 for me is a great base, you can get it perfect if you don't mind some minor fitting and work (epoxy the barrel to receiver, sand the spring guide etc, nothing requiring new parts). All of them I touched the QC isn't any worse than a vsr-10/bar-10, nitpicking all the complains you want but IMO people who talked the loudest are the ones that got a bad one, because no point at speaking up if your un is alright, plus people are particularly picky on his guns.
His first M4 will likely be in the ball park of the ssg24 instead of the ssg10: decent but kinda expensive for what it is.
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Old 04-01-2020, 08:02 AM   #35
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another jump on cash , when he was sealing ssg24 this was in his opinion best gun , this is high end gun based on good gun , now in all compare between ssg10 nad ssg24 he recommend ssg10 for simple reason this is based on cheep JG and his profit is much higher on JG for 300 eur than modyfi for 470. if he will make AEG based on his previous marrketing plan , make good gun and have smal profit to get new customers and then do something cheaper for make this more affordable, this could be worthet to try but if he thing he have catch them customers already and now is time for milking then this will be another JG with big name on site
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You have a point Sheed...a pseudo reliable rifle that comes in at a fair price point will sell. Especially if it's more reliable than most stock rifles. I agree, most people don't know how to fix their rifles, and even more so, don't care...just make it go. hehehehe

I've studied the .3g BB extensively...when I say extensive, well, we won't even bother getting into that. At upwards of close to 2j (around 415 fps with a .2) and everything magical and indoors, the BB would go 90m, but not accurately or to the point where I could 'guarantee' a hit. But did it rattle the wall? It did. So, plausible.

Now, in game, outside, 75-80m max...and depending on the day, we can drop that to 70m. Now, that's 75m reliably where I will hit what I'm pointing at. But this is not a commercially produced rifle and for most who can't make parts, not even possible with offerings off the shelf. Now, 246 feet is nothing to scoff at for an AEG. Now this is still a full 50ft short of the 90m claim. That's a far piece...just sayin
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You have a point Sheed...a pseudo reliable rifle that comes in at a fair price point will sell. Especially if it's more reliable than most stock rifles. I agree, most people don't know how to fix their rifles, and even more so, don't care...just make it go. hehehehe



I've studied the .3g BB extensively...when I say extensive, well, we won't even bother getting into that. At upwards of close to 2j (around 415 fps with a .2) and everything magical and indoors, the BB would go 90m, but not accurately or to the point where I could 'guarantee' a hit. But did it rattle the wall? It did. So, plausible.



Now, in game, outside, 75-80m max...and depending on the day, we can drop that to 70m. Now, that's 75m reliably where I will hit what I'm pointing at. But this is not a commercially produced rifle and for most who can't make parts, not even possible with offerings off the shelf. Now, 246 feet is nothing to scoff at for an AEG. Now this is still a full 50ft short of the 90m claim. That's a far piece...just sayin
You do have a good point. An aeg will go 90 metres (indoors and on burst), but then, so will a potato cannon. This does not mean they will hit something at the first try. On burst, there is of course the possibility of moving your bb stream onto the target.
Novritsch's main selling point has always been reliability and the fact that you don't have to do anything yourself so I expect he will just put in a decent gearbox and steel gears and say, hey it is the most reliable thing ever.

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Old 04-01-2020, 12:55 PM   #38
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At upwards of close to 2j (around 415 fps with a .2) and everything magical and indoors, the BB would go 90m, but not accurately or to the point where I could 'guarantee' a hit.

This would have to be quite over hopped. So set the gun to get max distance but in game it would not be accurate at really any other range because it is so over hopped.
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Exactly...it can go 90m, but the shot is fluke. It also doesn't have to be overhopped. I used to dial in my BAR for about 75m on .3's. It was accurate to 75m, but the BB's didn't just drop to the ground after. True, they were tired and scattered, but they'd still rattle the tin on the wall.
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I was wondering, what base is the ssg built on. I have heard that it is built on a bar 10 and the rubberised coating on the a1 stock seems to back this up.

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I was wondering, what base is the ssg built on. I have heard that it is built on a bar 10 and the rubberised coating on the a1 stock seems to back this up.

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Old 04-02-2020, 05:30 PM   #42
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Felt like this should fit well in here. Range demo of a 90M shot with 1.6 joules (not my personal footage). I'm much more inclined to believe that this is what a proper trajectory of such a long shot would be at such a low power level. The important thing to note here is the trajectory, travel time, and just how much hold over the shooter is using...

Edit: As a side note, they have some interesting stuff on super long range shooting with well over field limit velocities. It's questionably useful considering the extreme long range shots are huge lobs, but it does make for a interesting watch for some of us nerds out there.

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I’m sorry but that is ridiculous. They use a rifle like a mortar and it proves nothing. Laughable.
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Well, considering that the previous discussion was 1.4 joules 90M, I'd say it has certainly proved whether or such a distance with such a low velocity is even feasible. Think you might be missing the point of me linking the vid...
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I mean if it hits the target relatively consistently, why should it matter how much holdover is used?
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