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Old 04-02-2020, 06:31 PM   #46
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Iím sorry but that is ridiculous. They use a rifle like a mortar and it proves nothing. Laughable.
This is how irl snipers shoot though. They aim up. Well, first they do adjust their scopes but when they can't be bothered/have maxed out their scope they will just aim up. They don't necessarily use their rifles like a mortar, not to such an angle, but I've read accounts where snipers aimed 9metres above their target.

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Old 04-02-2020, 07:51 PM   #47
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I mean if it hits the target relatively consistently, why should it matter how much holdover is used?
Because it won't. At that range with such little power, it would take so much time to even reach in the first place the target would be long gone. Players (even noobs) don't just stand still and do nothing about a BB flying - more like floating - into their general direction. A gust would just send that BB everywhere it would be of no practical use in a game.
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Old 04-02-2020, 08:29 PM   #48
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I mean if it hits the target relatively consistently...
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Because it won't. At that range with such little power, it would take so much time to even reach in the first place the target would be long gone. Players (even noobs) don't just stand still and do nothing about a BB flying - more like floating - into their general direction. A gust would just send that BB everywhere it would be of no practical use in a game.
I'm confused. Are you saying that participating in a game reduces your rifles range?
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Old 04-03-2020, 06:12 AM   #49
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If you are at a very large game and the other players task is to say, guard a static object and they are just standing around it doing frick all, then you might very well succeed in such a shot. Otherwise I don't know.

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Old 04-03-2020, 09:22 AM   #50
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I mean if it hits the target relatively consistently...
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Because it won't. At that range with such little power, it would take so much time to even reach in the first place the target would be long gone. Players (even noobs) don't just stand still and do nothing about a BB flying - more like floating - into their general direction. A gust would just send that BB everywhere it would be of no practical use in a game.
I'm confused. Are you saying that participating in a game reduces your rifles range?
Maximum possible range, no. Effective range (or the range that you can be sure to reliably hit something and the other side will call it if they are honest), damn yes.

- You, and your target, will move for many reasons, and majorly not to get hit. Especially with long air time where the other side will see that BB floating in.
- Wind will blow your BBs away. Especially if you use your rifle like a goddamn mortar.
- Even noobs will not show a lot of their body to let you hit them. They will hide behind cover to precisely not get hit. Good luck hitting that especially against relatively experienced guys who don't poke up much.

Even with perfect scenarios a 1.4J with 0.2g cannot quite reach 70m with appreciable strength. Never mind those pellets would be swatted away by gusts for how long their air time would be.
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Old 04-03-2020, 12:21 PM   #51
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...BUT, then there's the magic fluke shot. I agree with much of what you say, TenshouYoku, but, then there's the hunt...the hail mary, the Holy Grail, the 'what if'...and sometimes, it just might work.

I've been hidden in the bush watching a player for well over a minute and well within range just to see if he's noticing anything. Sometimes they're intently focused on forward play and don't watch the flank. Common mistake when adrenaline is pumping. Sometimes I'll shoot a BB on purpose about 20-30 feet in front of them just to make them bug out the other way...right into my scope.

...and yeah, sometimes I take the hail mary shot. Why not? Sometimes it's ridiculous, and sometimes...it's a hit. The trick is not to spray and pray, but fire a single so that if it misses, it just falls into the fray and it's very difficult to trace its origin if there's only one BB. It's a much more time consuming method of gameplay, and you do have to be in control of your grid so that you yourself don't get suprised.

It doesn't always work, but when it does (most of the time)...oh yeah baby...there's nothing like it.
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It doesn't always work, but when it does (most of the time)...oh yeah baby...there's nothing like it.
It really is a great feeling.
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Old 04-03-2020, 03:30 PM   #54
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It really is a great feeling.

Just not at 90 meters with a 1.6 joules rifle.
I get that feeling when I shoot 90 meters with a 3.3 joule rifle.
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...BUT, then there's the magic fluke shot. I agree with much of what you say, TenshouYoku, but, then there's the hunt...the hail mary, the Holy Grail, the 'what if'...and sometimes, it just might work.
I think this thread has stumbled across the issue people have with the products airsoft YouTubers are selling. It's that they take this thought that Zero has shared. The 'what if' shot and add it into every second cut of their video. They aren't just selling a gun, they are selling the idea that this is going to make you the best.

Honestly, I love that there are some great products coming out of their content. They do great things for the sport, I came out of airsoft retirement because of Novi and Housegamers Vids. At the same time, they make the realities of airsoft a bit lackluster. I can see how 70 - 90m shots are almost expected to be the norm as "the video had that awesome long-range shot, so I can do that too." Creating unrealistic expectations, that don't match what we know about BB flight. To the point where we are getting happy to say that because it happened once while shooting indoors or outside at one point, gun X is capable of 90m consistently. I watched 1tonne make a 110m shot, he will still say his max range is 80m.

Though at the same time Zero makes a good case for the increased observation and trial and error. If ya don't try it, you never know.
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Old 04-06-2020, 10:18 AM   #56
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You hit the eternal quest there, Sheed. The reason for playing guitar in a band, owning a Corvette (even though a minivan full of kids is the real sign of virility), it's the magic elixir, the blue pill...the genie in the bottle, etc,etc,etc.

See, learning something is work. Accepting something 'real' is even more difficult. I'm in my mid 50's now. As we get older, I see my peers losing their minds. Buying Harleys, trading in their wives for a newer model and not appreciating what they already have, etc...it's actually pretty sad. The body doesn't work like it used to and all the gurus on TV have clearly sold you a false bill of goods. Life has sold you a false bill of goods. Or did you just shop at the wrong store? See how deep this gets? It happens to EVERYBODY.

Since the dawn of civilization the medicine man has been trying to sell you Ponce's Fountain of Youth, snake oil, and anything else that can be shoved in a bottle for a quick fix. Truth? There are no shortcuts and there is no fix.

Let's roll it to airsoft. Everyone wants to be a warrior. It's a rush. It appeals to our caveman instincts. So here's a guy on my TV telling me for a mere few hundred dollars I can unlock my inner GI JOE....over and over again. Who doesn't want that to happen? This is classic marketing and it always falls short. The only way to become a hunter is to learn how to hunt. Period. Practice, practice, practice...You have to miss a bunch of targets, then study the animal and the terrain, learn the habits, but dammit all of this takes time. It isn't instant!! hahahaha

When I started playing airsoft it took me three years to find my groove...and I've been hunting and playing in the woods forever before that. I didn't run out and spend bags of money, but I did try and learn the guns, the limitations of the guns, and of course the immediate frustration that comes with realizing they tried to sell you the bag of manure. Not many players are forthcoming with information about the reality of the game as they're desperately trying to hang on to their field advantage and sure don't want some newb succeeding and stealing the thunder.

Let's roll the time reel. By the end of the 2nd summer, I found some strides (our winters are LONG here..gives lots of inventing time) and made headway on the field. No, still not mowing down the masses, but holding my own, and more importantly, living to fight another day. I became harder to find, had better tactics so that even with a mediocre rifle I got competitive. By the 3rd year we had gone through an 8 month long winter. The rifle was really, really good. Quieter, very accurate (this is the L96), but I rarely used it. What?! I had also built an AK with blowback. Rattled like a jackhammer. I didn't even have to aim at anything. I'd just rattle it off, and heads would pop out of the tall grass and make er for the treeline...then you hit em with the L96 (yeah I packed both). It was like flushing prairie chickens! Between Spartan, my kid, and myself by the end of the summer we built a dragnet. Fire the AK, draw the attention, Spartan and Huddleston take them from the sides. We knew the field, knew the holes, knew the habits of the other players...it was a turkey shoot.

4th year? Stayed home. Not one game at that field. WHAT?!? Oh yeah. Time to go ghost. Back to the forest with the Rangers. Work on more stuff, try other tactics in a training setting, etc. But let the dust settle, then go kick it up again. Just like fishing pools in the river. After you've pulled a fish out, move on...let it rest. Let the fish get complacent again. It's animal behaviour at its best.

...and go for that shot. why not? If it works, it becomes extremely unsettling for your opponents. The fact that they're not protected. Even if it's a complete fluke for you, they don't know that.
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