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Old 03-15-2015, 10:36 AM   #16
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I've considered hi cap mags ever since I got this rifle. Carrying 10 pounds of mags is a bit of a burden.

I'm actually working on the CAD models now. The stock mag is quite complex as it stands. I'm glad someone else is at least interested. G&g makes a hi cap for their M14 but it still would require extensive modification plus they are pretty expensive to start with. They may be wider too. I'll check in out however.
I'm a retired mech eng and toolmaker by trade so it's not outside of my experience.

It's a formtable project. It certainly won't be cheap. Some complex parts of the magazine are not available as replacements or not easy to get. I'm looking into 3d printing but finish quality is poor for this application and would require hand finishing. Integrity of the part is in question too. The rubber seal may or may not be available....some question here. It's possible to make low production rubber molds but it does drive up the costs. I will do a proof of concept model before any real production.

I've also looked at integrating AEG mags into a custom mag adaptor. It will have to be HPA as there won't be space for gas.

I'm also looking at a non scale mag. Even this is still very tough to make the top half.

I'd like to use the top half in modified condition for the prototype but the final version has to be fully machined from 6061-T6 aluminum. It does have a weak point where the metal is very thin. I had one explode on me so I'm pretty shy about using the die cast parts. I just got 2 new mags for development and one has a serious flaw where the bb feed tracks mount. I'm sure there would be a feed issue. The weather is starting to get better so I'll have to prove this one out for compatibility.

I have a good contact with High level CNC capability. This may be the push I need to get my own CNC machining center. I have other projects I can do also.

I welcome comments and suggestions.
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Old 03-30-2015, 12:47 PM   #17
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I had a WE M14 which was RA built from them direct. I'm not sure if it was me, but I couldn't get it to be anywhere near consistent, even to the point I gave it to a shop to see if they could do anything with it. I didn't own the rifle that long before selling it, which has left me a bit well miffed after seeing this post I miss it and want it back!
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Old 03-30-2015, 03:21 PM   #18
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I've got over 10k rounds thru my WE M14. Granted it's not without a few problems. I'll say right off, you might as well get the steel trigger assembly at the same time as you get the rifle. I thought I could beat it but sad to say I lost just as many others did. It just took longer.

Even the RA Tech hot rod gun is going to need some fine tuning. Mine was inconsistent at first too. Turns out the outer barrel kept coming loose. I fixed that by carefully fitting it for a near 0 clearance and loc tight on the screw.

A Reaps bucking fixed the hop up other than it was hard to adjust. Fixed that by first drilling a small hole in the Selector bar so you don't have to field strip the rifle for hop up adjustment. Then I just removed the selector bar and disabled full auto. I only use double or triple tap in the games otherwise for target shooting I just use semi auto.

You need spare parts....a couple nozzles stock and 500 fps, aluminum nozzle guides, the bolt cover will break at some point so you need a couple of then too.

After that you can go with a tight bore barrel. It was a definite improvement. I added a full hop up unit to go with it.

Doing the R Hop is a challenge due to the slanted inner barrel opening. It does work and allows heavier bb to be used. I'm sure there is significant Joule creep judging by the cursing and swearing when I get hits out a ways. Haha

Over all it's just a fun rifle to shoot.
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Old 03-30-2015, 08:43 PM   #19
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Umm.. does anyone else notice how in the 15th image down from the top, they engraved the EBR stock with comic sans text?
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Old 03-30-2015, 09:46 PM   #20
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Yeah, apparently the real one has Comic Sans...
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Old 01-02-2018, 11:11 PM   #21
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What was the max range on the stock?
What was the max range on the M14 after upgrades?
How accurate was the gun?
Would Maple Leaf upgrades make this gun more accurate and shoot farther?

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Old 01-03-2018, 12:10 AM   #22
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Range is decent, accepts Maple Leaf bucking and barrel. Due to the use of a pistol-style hop arm, it might be better to get an I-key than trying to use a concave nub.

Magazines are rock solid and never leak. Sounds awesome, kicks nice, overall performance is really good.

Main issue is the trigger box that separates and requires either an extremely expensive RA-Tech upgrade, or really good abilities with steel epoxy and a file.
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Old 01-04-2018, 01:52 AM   #23
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Im panning to get the RA-Tech WE M14 EBR LV3 but im wondering, would it be cheaper to just buy the stock and upgrade everything myself?

I even called CRW-Airsoft in Hong Kong to see if they had the level 3 in stock. They told me that RA-Tech are making their own version of the reciever and are updating so they would have the new ones in stock in a month or two.

Is there a problem with the reciever? I havnt seen a review where they complain about the reciever. Maybe too mch gass expulsion?
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Old 01-04-2018, 02:43 PM   #24
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I run my 1st WE M14 from 2014, I have added 7 more to my collection since, modified additional 3 personally and several more were modified by my step-by-step guide.

Honestly, if you donít really wish/need Ratech ďsteelerĒ version, itís a waste of money.

Following are the most important mods:
- GGI forum trigger box mod (my first still holds after 15k rounds, maybe more).
- Tape the top of mags for tight fit in magwell.
- Get real function bolt catch arm and steel bolt catch (part no.3).
- ML Diamond 60-70 Hrubber.
- Enlarge and extend rubber cut of base barrel (if you will have long cut). If you get a rifle with short cut, itís better to replace it.
- Make new inner barrel locks as ML rubber is about 1mm shorter and you need to push the barrel for this 1-2mm more to chamber (applies to base barrel).
- Teflon tape Hrubber to barrel in hop assembly chamber, HA chamber in real steel chamber.
- From side tape part 43.
- Buy spare parts 43 (just in case if you donít have already aluminium one as base), 42, 101.

This should be all. With long barrel and MAPP gas you should get between 115-130m/s with 0,5 bbs. With short barrel between 90-95m/s with 0,5bbs or 100-105m/s with 0,4bbs (about 2J).


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Old 01-05-2018, 08:54 AM   #25
 
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It's very hard to locate Ratech steel parts for it.
Yea a Level 3 is very expensive but think that some parts in it are near impossible to find.
I had a WE M14 for a short period of time .. It was a really nice gun.
Now I may look for one more .. as I have an EBR stock sitting for it


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Old 01-05-2018, 09:17 PM   #26
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What hop-up, bucking, and barrel would you put in the RA-Tech level 3 configuration?
Just all maple leaf?
And whats the differenc enetween Maple Leaf and RA-Tech? Shops seem to have them under the same category in the search functions

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Old 01-05-2018, 09:57 PM   #27
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That's mostly an Evike error.

RA-Tech is the aftermarket parts in-house brand from Airsoft Taiwan, a distributor that deals RA-Tech stuff but also a lot of products from other companies.

Maple Leaf is an independent brand, totally unrelated to RA-Tech / AST, that is distributed by a lot of different sources, among which is Airsoft Taiwan.

So it seems Evike got some cool new buckings from Airsoft Taiwan and decided to call them RA-Tech, despite having no relation at all.

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Sinceriously, I'd recommend just getting the "basic" version from wherever you like, toss in Maple Leaf Autobot bucking and Crazy Jet barrel for ultimate accuracy and range, and preventively modding the trigger unit by using a tiny ammount of steel epoxy right where the trigger unit usually separates overtime.
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Old 01-05-2018, 11:22 PM   #28
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I run my 1st WE M14 from 2014, I have added 7 more to my collection since, modified additional 3 personally and several more were modified by my step-by-step guide.

Honestly, if you don’t really wish/need Ratech “steeler” version, it’s a waste of money.

Following are the most important mods:
- GGI forum trigger box mod (my first still holds after 15k rounds, maybe more).
- Tape the top of mags for tight fit in magwell.
- Get real function bolt catch arm and steel bolt catch (part no.3).
- ML Diamond 60-70 Hrubber.
- Enlarge and extend rubber cut of base barrel (if you will have long cut). If you get a rifle with short cut, it’s better to replace it.
- Make new inner barrel locks as ML rubber is about 1mm shorter and you need to push the barrel for this 1-2mm more to chamber (applies to base barrel).
- Teflon tape Hrubber to barrel in hop assembly chamber, HA chamber in real steel chamber.
- From side tape part 43.
- Buy spare parts 43 (just in case if you don’t have already aluminium one as base), 42, 101.

This should be all. With a long barrel and MAPP gas you should get between 115-130m/s with 0,5 bbs. With short barrel between 90-95m/s with 0,5bbs or 100-105m/s with 0,4bbs (about 2J).


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So I did some research and found out that the maple leaf Autobots are just a modern version of the Diamond type hop-up buckings. So basically the same but I guess updated version. Gonna get a 70 degree Autobot.

The thing is I have yet to find on the internet a Maple Leaf Crazy Jet 6.01 540mm barrel.

So the question is keep the RA-Tech 6.01 540mm Precision Barrel or go for a bit wider Maple Leaf 6.02 540mm Precision Barrel OR is it possible (compatibility with mk14 ebr?) to attach a 550mm 6.04 Crazy Jet VSR GBB Inner Barrel and attach a suppressor? LINK

I don't know and understand which key to get? I just see that the I-Key's are amazing.
UPDATE: Nevermind. Apparently, F-Keys is for newer hop-ups. So F-Key I will choose. LINK

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So I did some research and found out that the maple leaf Autobots are just a modern version of the Diamond type hop-up buckings. So basically the same but I guess updated version. Gonna get a 70 degree Autobot.
Autobots are much more than that, specially for GBBRs. Sure, their internal mound is just like the Diamond (which is even better than R-hops for accuracy and range), but also the included c-ring that goes to the nozzle side prevents the nozzle from disconnecting prematurely from the chamber, and in turn, provides much higher kick, better consistency, accuracy and effective range, while noticeably reducing gas consumption and cooldown.

They are SO great that by now I judge a GBBR worth by the ability or not to take Autobot buckings.

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The thing is I have yet to find on the internet a Maple Leaf Crazy Jet 6.01 540mm barrel.
Bore diameter is irrelevant for accuracy and range, they only provide a slightly FPS difference. Crazy Jets come only in .04, but as I said, it's totally irrelevant. Their quality and technology is far better than RA-Tech's, and so is their performance.

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I don't know and understand which key to get? I just see that the I-Key's are amazing.
UPDATE: Nevermind. Apparently, F-Keys is for newer hop-ups. So F-Key I will choose. LINK
That's when dealing with WE Glock hop ups... M14 is totally different, and I really don't know which key would go there, if any... but I'd put my chips on the I-key. So try and see. It should work without a key anyway, the whole purpose of it is to require less pressure to achieve the same hop, and improve lateral accuracy slightly.
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Old 01-06-2018, 01:29 AM   #30
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For M14:
- Due to hop system any Key or tensioner is useless.
- I have failed with Autobots in my M14, Diamonds were the hit. But it could be due to base barrels I have sticked with.
- You can go with precise 510mm barrel too, itís enough. Just donít forget to add spacer rings.


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