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Old 09-26-2015, 05:48 PM   #1
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Initial Impressions for Current Heavyweights

***See Post #7 for important update.

In search for a functional, consistent and reliable heavyweight, I purchased 5 different brands ranging from .4-.45g:

HPA (High Powered Airsoft/Bingo Airsoftworks/Bioval) .4g BBs (Tan)

These are much like the WE .4g bbs, but have been approved biodegradable by an accredited US laboratory.

Price: 2200 rounds; $30 + 5 shipping (within US). Contact directly to purchase.

Surface - Excellent polish, with an occasional dimple. No dimple however can be solely attributed to making a greater than negligible difference on overall performance.

Interior - Centered air bubbles

Feeding - Sizing within barrel tolerance and a polished surface allow for smooth feeding

Performance - Fairly consistent and much like the WE .4g bbs. Suitable for any rifle capable of lifting them.

WE Nuprols .43g bbs (White) -

3000 rounds; Europe Only. (It would cost a lot to ship overseas, but I actually got them for free because the retailer thought they might have been defective.)

Surface - Medium polish (could be smoother). No noticeable anomaly on surfaces that would significantly affect overall performance.

Interior - No bubbles from the ones that I've cut open so far.

Feeding - Feeds perfectly fine.

Performance - Consistent, extends long range accuracy, more resistant to wind than .4g (attributed to increased weight).

Ajax Customs .43g bbs (White) -

Price - 2000 rounds; $24 + 6-7 shipping (US distributor). Purchase from website.

Very similar to the WE Nuprols.

Surface - Medium polish (could be smoother). There appears to be more black markings that don't intrude the surface, however once again, no noticeable anomaly on surfaces that would significantly affect overall performance.

Interior - No bubbles from the ones that I've cut open so far.

Feeding - Feeds perfectly fine.

Performance - Consistent, extends long range accuracy, more resistant to wind than .4g (attributed to increased weight). They can honestly be used interchangeably with the Nuprols from the broad shot comparisons I've done.

BB King .45g bbs (White) -

Price - 2000 rounds; $15 + 15 shipping (From Zhejiang, China, ships ePacket 7-10 days worldwide). Contact directly to purchase.

Surface - Medium plus polish (better polish than the WE and Ajax .43 bbs, but still not as slick as the HPAs). Occasional dimple. There also appears to be occasional black markings that don't intrude the surface, however once again, no noticeable anomaly on surfaces that would significantly affect overall performance.

Interior - No bubbles from the ones that I've cut open so far.

Feeding - Feeds perfectly fine.

Performance - Consistent, extends long range accuracy, more resistant to wind than .43g (attributed to increased weight). These have insanely stable flight plaths across long ranges.

Shiba Doge/Dojo .45g bbs (White/Yellow Tint) -

Price - 2000 rounds; $24 + 7-8 shipping from AirsoftAtlanta (US only). Purchase from website.

Very similar to the BB King .45g bbs, however worse quality control.

Surface - Medium plus polish (maybe slightly better than BB King, but not very noticeable difference). Occasional dimple, more so noticeable than those on the BB King bbs.

Interior - No bubbles from the ones that I've cut open so far.

Feeding - Feeds perfectly fine.

Performance - Consistent, extends long range accuracy, more resistant to wind than .43g (attributed to increased weight). I can not confirm a lesser consistently level with these than the BB Kings, but visually and physically, they are at a lesser state and some dimples may actually affect flight path at a greater than negligible level.

General comments for all BBs and those interested in buying heavyweight bbs:

I will likely not post any actual shooting results because 1) I haven't found a good time, 2) my rifle is different from yours and 3) shooting conditions will be different for everyone. This is especially the case in the variable world of airsoft. Therefore, the results can not be replicated anyways. In case you wanted to know however, my build is listed in my signature.

But as for general notes:

-ALL of these BBs SHOULD feed well and shoot in your rifle or magazine as they have in mine. If they don't, it's most likely a problem with your own rifle/magazine.

-It is very important to make sure your rifle is already consistent and can support these heavyweights with a consistent conventional hop up system with an above average FPS OR an aftermarket hop up patch with a longer surface area (such as R hop). Never blame the bbs before blaming your own rifle first if their physical qualities check out perfectly fine. For example, bbs don't "curve" by themselves, there is no such thing as top spin in airsoft and bbs also don't miraculously lift themselves really high or really low each shot. Your hop up system is just wrong in all of these cases. In the last case, that could be your hop up and/or cylinder causing the problem.

-Clean the hop up nub/patch after each game/100-200 rounds to remove potential residue from the bbs.

-Seal all heavyweights after opening their respective bags. You want to minimize their exposure to air and prevent expansion for as long as possible. (The BB King bbs came specifically in a vacuumed air tight bag and had a warning sign stuck to the back that strongly encouraged sealing the bag after usage).

Recommendations: They ALL work well as of now. The HPA .4g, WE Nuprols .43g and BB King .45g are my recommendations for each weight class.

*Also ordered free Bioshot samples, but these never arrived
*Second image is an inside view of the BB King .45g bbs.
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Old 09-26-2015, 10:45 PM   #2
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Just for clarity might be a good idea to include how many bb's came for the price per brand rather than just price.

Otherwise I like what I see;)

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Did you try washing any of them? I washed my WE Nuprols, and I'm getting feeding issues. They are literally getting stuck in the magazine. I need to bang it against something pretty hard to make the BBs budge again.
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Just for clarity might be a good idea to include how many bb's came for the price per brand rather than just price.

Otherwise I like what I see;)

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Thanks for noticing. I've updated the quantity purchased for each brand.


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Did you try washing any of them? I washed my WE Nuprols, and I'm getting feeding issues. They are literally getting stuck in the magazine. I need to bang it against something pretty hard to make the BBs budge again.
The thing I don't like about washing BBs is that you may wash the polish off which will reveal a very coarse surface. The surfaces of the bbs rubbing against your plastic magazine may definitely cause some problems.

But first, check to see if your BBs have inflated. Either measure it with a caliper or try to roll it through your barrel. If the BB can not fully make its way down the barrel without getting stuck, then it is too large.



NOTE: Bioshot has finally sent out the package of samples and my impressions of them will be updated here when they come.
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Old 09-28-2015, 08:09 AM   #5
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Thanks for noticing. I've updated the quantity purchased for each brand.




The thing I don't like about washing BBs is that you may wash the polish off which will reveal a very coarse surface. The surfaces of the bbs rubbing against your plastic magazine may definitely cause some problems.

But first, check to see if your BBs have inflated. Either measure it with a caliper or try to roll it through your barrel. If the BB can not fully make its way down the barrel without getting stuck, then it is too large.



NOTE: Bioshot has finally sent out the package of samples and my impressions of them will be updated here when they come.
That's the thing, they are too coarse. I might try some single-row mags to see if it helps the feeding. But they certainly haven't inflated. I might have feeding issues, but when it did load the BB, it went through my 6.03 barrel with ease.

E.: Even if they did inflate, I could just use them in my Orga Magnus 6.23mm, just like I did with my inflated BBKing's .45s.

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Old 09-28-2015, 08:36 AM   #6
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Thanks for the review. Want to try those BB King's .45 as soon as I get my rifle operating.
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IMPORTANT UPDATE:

I haven't been playing for a while (again), but my friends have invited me to a game so I decided to check these BBs out again.

Note the time from my initial post to now - it has been a little over seven months.

Every brand has inflated besides the Doge (now verified) and HPA Tan .40g bbs.

EDIT: I have found the Shiba Doge BBs and they have NOT inflated. This is impressive, considering it is the only .43g+ brand to not inflate.

I haven't touched these bbs since early October and they've been sealed in their respective bottles or bags. With any amount of exposure to air, these WILL inflate over time and will become unusable, even if they are properly sealed in their respective bags. Unless you have the tools to vacuum the bag out completely, expect the BBs to inflate. It really proves the point that all white .43 - .45g bbs are essentially manufactured the same way, given the same recurring problem.

Life span? I don't know. If you buy them, you better use them within a few months. All I know is that my bottle of WE Nuprols almost exploded because the bbs inflated so much. None of the bbs will roll through my test 6.04 stock barrel. The nuprols are so big they can't even be squeezed into the barrel.

If somebody has an update on whether a manufacturer as changed their manufacturing process for these bbs, please let me know. Those .45g bbs were awesome, but only while they lasted.

Defective List:

BBKing .45
Ajax Customs .43
WE Nuprols .43
Bioshot .43

Non-defective:
HPA .4
Doge .45
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Old 05-06-2016, 06:04 PM   #8
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I gotta take my previous statement in September back about the Shibe Doge. They are trash. Polish definitely deteriorated and there are way too many fliers. BB King .45 are still IMO the best heavyweight I've ever used. I'll be sticking with .40g HPA for now.
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That's the thing, they are too coarse. I might try some single-row mags to see if it helps the feeding. But they certainly haven't inflated. I might have feeding issues, but when it did load the BB, it went through my 6.03 barrel with ease.

E.: Even if they did inflate, I could just use them in my Orga Magnus 6.23mm, just like I did with my inflated BBKing's .45s.

I have a batch of BB Kings from 2014 that are about 7.2mm now. When they reach 10mm I will try to sell them as white beans.

They are good, consistency wise, but you have to use the entire package in less than a week, or have the means to store small quantities vacuum sealed.
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Ha, don't know why I didn't think of that before. I have a vacuum sealer. :-D
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I have unfortunately gone off BB king for the swelling reason. Normally, if you can get them newly produced, they will last for about 1 year. But if opened and left for the humidity to get in, they swell very fast. While they have not swelled, they can be very, very accurate.
I guess one good thing is that if they swell to 5.99mm and your inner barrel is 6.01mm, it will help to make insane JC. Less wasted energy helps with JC a lot.
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I have unfortunately gone off BB king for the swelling reason. Normally, if you can get them newly produced, they will last for about 1 year. But if opened and left for the humidity to get in, they swell very fast. While they have not swelled, they can be very, very accurate.
I guess one good thing is that if they swell to 5.99mm and your inner barrel is 6.01mm, it will help to make insane JC. Less wasted energy helps with JC a lot.
The thing is, I don't believe they inflate evenly, so that may cause sphericity issues.

I just quit with all this BS of low quality heavyweights and went full into Zirconia and Alumina ones. They are expensive, but I usually don't shoot more than 10 rounds a game.
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The thing is, I don't believe they inflate evenly, so that may cause sphericity issues.

I just quit with all this BS of low quality heavyweights and went full into Zirconia and Alumina ones. They are expensive, but I usually don't shoot more than 10 rounds a game.
HPA Tan .4g bbs are the only visible rounds of heavyweight bbs that I can recommend. They are very well polished and are fairly consistent. Only thing is that the seller is based in the US so shipping costs may be a bit rough overseas.
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So to stir the pot... I have receive from my sponsor HPA's new white .40g bbs but have not had the time to review them.

I only have about 100 but from looking at them and holding them they seem fairly similar to HPA's tans .40g's.
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I would guess that the Taiwanese website, "BLS" make the Tan coloured 0.4gm bb's for most of the brands out there like HPA (or they get them made from a real manufacturer). They even used to make the TAN 0.4gm Madbull bb's that people used to love.
I purchased a couple of bags of 0.4gm tans a month ago with the brand "BLS" on them. So in the website picture it only says white or grey but they also can be made in TAN. BLS > Product > 0.40g Sniper BB
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