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Old 03-17-2016, 09:12 AM   #46
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I know a few people that have done an Rhop on the gun, so it is definitely workable. My biggest issue is that the hop up unit has a rather small window that the nub pushes through. It's kind of difficult for me to describe, but when you open up the unit, you will probably see what I mean. I've only got a flat hop installed in my gun since I am not very confident in my Rhop skills.
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Old 03-17-2016, 10:08 AM   #47
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it takes it quite well. though I'm currently having issues with my bb's having a left curve. I'm assuming this is mostly due to a bad cut of the R-hop (it's a little squint but I didn't have a replacement part, so i started testing with it anyways). The R-hop worked fine in combination with my M-nub though I had to rotate my M-nub 90 degrees, otherwise it wouldn't fit through the small window (as Whalesmash mentions).

Playing with my hop-up settings you could definitely see major improvements on distance and acurracy (apart from the left curve - though thet curve was consistant too).

Here are some pics in case you want to know what it looks like:

Hop-up nub window:


Hop-up M-nub:


Barrel placement:


Barrel & nub:


*Bucking & R-hop has been removed for photographs.

PS: If you're taking your rifle apart, be sure to replace the philips-head screws with either torq- or alan-screws. The original screws are of terrible quality!
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Old 03-17-2016, 10:26 AM   #48
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I wonder if it would be possible to file off a bit more of the window in order to enlarge it. The whole point of the Rhop is to provide that longer contact area. I feel like I could get more performance out of my own flat hop if I could widen the window ever so slightly. Then again, I'd rather not damage the unit since it's proprietary...

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What kind of bucking do you use? When I flat hopped my bucking, it took me a very long time since I didn't want to remove the alignment ridge. The way the hop unit was designed, it looks like the barrel uses the bucking in order to stay aligned with the unit. Did you file everything off?
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Old 03-17-2016, 10:42 AM   #49
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I'm using a Madbull VSR bucking (red). I turned it inside-out and only removed the small nub on the inside to make it a flat-hop which took about 1min of dremeling (though turning it inside-out took a little longer).
What you're mentioning is correct. The unit uses the bucking to stay aligned as well as the inside ridge which is used to ensure a proper fit around the inner barrel, so I left both untouched!

I'm not entirely sure if enlarging the window will give more benefits regarding the hop-up. Though you will have a longer M-nub which would touch the R-hop, it would most likely need to be cut off at a slight angle to ensure that both front and back of the nub gives equal pressure. Apart from the fact that this would be extremely difficult, all the nub + r-hop does is let you modify the flight path. The correct path of the BB in flight can be adjusted with this small window too, so I don't think it'll improve much. All it'll do is give you less adjustment with your R-hop as, each turn of the hop-up screw will give you a lot more contact compared to the original window. So basically you're going from 'no hop-up' to 'a lot of hop-up'. Atleast that's what I'd assume if you look at the mechanism!
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Eh, I guess it wouldn't really matter at that point then. Thanks for confirming the alignment stuff. I took a while filing off the nub in mine since I'm using that shaved off nub as the contact point for my flat hop. I guess the only reason to enlarge the window would be if I wanted to try hopping 0.66g's some time in the future :P
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Old 03-17-2016, 11:24 AM   #51
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Not quite sure what you mean with the 'shaved off nub as the contact point'. But glad I could help :)
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Old 03-17-2016, 11:36 AM   #52
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Not quite sure what you mean with the 'shaved off nub as the contact point'. But glad I could help :)
When you run a flat hop, you usually shave off the nub and alignment ridge and then rotate the bucking to a part that is untouched. In my case, I shaved off the nub, but since I didn't want to shave off the alignment ridge, I am using the same patch where the nub used to be. It's a little bit more rough than the rest of the bucking since there was material removed from it. It's just a little bit more work to sand it down and make sure it's as smooth and even as possible.
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Old 03-17-2016, 12:38 PM   #53
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Ah yes, I'm doing that as well, but in your case you're not using an R-hop so you have to ensure that it's as smooth as possible to know for certain it's not affecting the BB's trajectory!

And as you mention, doing a proper R-hop modification isn't as easy as it looks. As I have a 3D printer; based on your frustrations (and mine), I quickly designed an R-hop that should fit my inner barrel perfectly. This way I don't have to cut or grind it. I'm printing it in flexible resin as I'm typing this. If this works out properly, let me know the dimensions of the slot in your barrel and i'll print another one for you to test. Perhaps this way it'll be easier to produce R-hops that are custom made for a barrel rather than ordering a Z-kit and having to cut/grind/fit it yourself!



As of now, i'm uncertain if it can withstand hundreds of bb's passing the flexible resin, but it's definitely worth a try! I'll give you an update once I've done a bit of testing.
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Old 03-17-2016, 01:07 PM   #54
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I believe we have the same EDGI barrel, so if it does turn out well, I'll be all over that thing
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Old 03-18-2016, 12:51 AM   #55
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All you fancy EDGI people; I went with a PDI that I'm going to lap down to 0.25u microns, then send away to be milled out and Rhop'd

Edit: If I could've gotten a SS EDGI I probably would've, I just don't want brass.

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Old 03-31-2016, 11:11 PM   #56
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When I took apart the the BB feed ramp a tiny spring fell out. Does it go in the dimple in front of where the BBs feed in?
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Old 04-01-2016, 05:36 AM   #57
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It's a bit of a pain to get it back. It simply sits against the barrel.

Easiest way I found to reassemble it is to tilt the barrel and feeding tube sideways and screw in the first of the four screws. This should help keep the spring in place. Then tilt it upwards to ensure that the feeding tube and barrel are aligned.


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Old 04-07-2016, 10:42 AM   #58
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Have any of the other twoish MSR fielders had any loading issues with their gun? I've fielded and used my MSR really heavily throughout the past half a year and I'm starting to get inconsistencies with loading. A few months ago, I took apart one of my mags and cleaned it. Seemed to help out for another couple of months, but now the problem is back.

Basically, if I keep the rifle level with my target and cycle the bolt, the BB's only load into the chamber about 50% of the time. If I tilt the gun downwards slightly, say 20-30 degrees towards the ground, I can chamber the rounds no problem. I get the feeling that my magazines could be dirty again, or that I need to lightly oil that BB track inside the magazines, but I hesitate to do that since it will likely mean my BB's get a little bit dirty in the mag... Has anyone else had this problem and been able to solve it? (System should be the same for any MCM700x or AW338 user)
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Old 04-07-2016, 10:57 AM   #59
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The only reason that has happened to me is because there weren't enough bb's in the feeding tube (+/-20). Are you sure that isn't the case? That would confirm being able to reload when tilting the gun.

Haven't had a problem with dirt in the mag so far..

P.S. whatever you don't oil the track!

Edit: could it be that the spring inside the mag has weakened and therefore doesn't have the strength to push the bb into the chamber? Gravity giving it just enough help to make it work?
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After a bit of tinkering with the magazine, I believe I have figured out what was causing my loading issues. It wasn't the guide track of the BB's that was the issue, it was the BB follower. The BB follower had/has a pretty poor molding to it and it had a pretty large seam down the side. After having so many rounds loaded into the magazine, the seam started scuffing up the side of the mag follower and actually causing it to get stuck slightly. It getting stuck just a bit meant that it wasn't applying 100% pressure up the feed tube to chamber the next BB. After gently sanding the follower and re-cleaning the BB track, my gun is feeding fine once again. Hopefully it stays this way for a good long while...
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