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Old 02-06-2014, 10:32 PM   #31
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@jkwon: sorry, was planning on posting this later on. These came from TNTProSniperShop

The stopper kept on falling because it didn't come with the bolt in the picture. And since it sits just outside of the trigger body, I had to sand down further on the magazine catch frame so that the trigger can fit nicely.

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This bolt was not included. Also, if you notice, there's a yellow bit sticking out at the end of the trigger body. In mine, that yellow bit is preventing the magazine to be inserted properly. All I did was unscrew the yellow bit and reverse it so the protruding part sits inward so there's no protruding after the end of the black part (sorry, didn't take a photo for this one, but you should notice that you can't insert you magazine by about 4 mm and this is the main cause).
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It's not shown here, but the I sanded the inside part where the bolt meets the mag catch frame.
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Forgot to mention this, I kept the upgrade parts lubricated with thick silicon oil. There is lost compression somewhere if I do the compression test, but overall the MMC piston/O-ring combo is pretty good. I'd say it's even better than the original piston in the same test. Overall, after the upgrade, the rifle shoots more powerful. You might want to try leaving the O-ring over night if you still have problems with your upgrade piston.

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Old 02-07-2014, 12:25 PM   #32
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Thanks for the detailed reply. I will have to try this out. I'm still really disappointed with TNT, they should have gave us this information from the start. Forgive my ignorance, but what exactly does the bolt do once it's screwed into the spring guide stopper? It seems like the spring guide stopper would still continue to pop out after every shot. Second, is your trigger always loose? I understand it's supposed to have a light trigger pull but the wobble seems a bit excessive. Thanks.
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Old 02-07-2014, 06:12 PM   #33
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Regarding the extra bolt, I also had the same doubts, that's why I was procastinating on trying it out. Also, I couldn't get the same bolt as the one in TNT's picture, so I had to custom made mine. I ended up with 3 versions, one was too short, one was too long and the final was just about the right length. My bolt head is probably thicker then the one in the picture too, so, I had to do the mod to the side of the frame to help it sit properly.

After the mod, I tried dry firing without the lower receiver and outer barrel installed, which is the same test I did when it was without the extra bolt. So, the spring guide stopper is only retained by the force of the spring pushing the spring guide and spring guide stopper. With the bolt, the spring guide stopper didn't move after 5 shots (I didn't fire more shots). Without it, the spring guide would have moved as soon as after the first shot. So, I went ahead with the mod.

With all the work completed, I'm pretty confident that it won't fall off mid game since the screw head is also held tightly against the magazine catch frame.


As for the trigger itself, the mechanism is a direct copy of zero trigger's mechanism, which goes around 200$ish. I'm guessing the bodywork we had to do was because of this. Meaning it was designed from zero trigger's inner workings to fit the outer appearance of the stock trigger instead of the other way around (as in the case of PDI's soon to be AW 338's v-trigger).
But overall, I'm actually quite happy with the trigger pull. With the upgraded set, once it's cocked, it's actually just a bit harder to pull when compared to the stock trigger set. I also tried shaking the rifle without touching the trigger just to see if it could misfire, and it didn't misfire.

If it hadn't used zero trigger's design, since it's using a higher rated spring, it's supposed to be alot harder to pull the trigger.

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Old 02-07-2014, 09:22 PM   #34
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Hey guys, I'm new to this forum! I decided to post my questions here because it seems pretty relevant to this thread. I just bought my ARES AW-338 Spring version last night, and I would like to do some internal upgrades. However, it seems that there aren't many options as ARES produces their own proprietary parts. (WHYYYY >.>) Do you guys know any upgradable parts available for this beauty? :)
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Old 02-07-2014, 09:53 PM   #35
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Old 02-07-2014, 10:34 PM   #36
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@junkee902: like you ARES is my first rifle I bought, but for some reason, my sidearm, TM G18c, which was bought later, came in first. As for upgrade, there really isn't that much choice. I'm guessing if you want a drop in replacement upgrade parts, the ARES's upgrades should be good (TX CNC parts replacements).

For internals, you can go with more expensive route with Japanese made and tighter tolerances PDI internals (new trigger coming up - 45 degrees piston). For in-bars, hop up bucking, hop up nubs, you have a wider range. I have not seen any other brand's hop up housing replacement units. The outer barrel doesn't seem to be able to take any commercially available barrel spacers. As for TDC mods, I think the hop up arm just needs to be shimmed, and the adjustment bolt changed with something more manageable (still looking for one). So, depends on what upgrades your looking for.

I chose R-Hop because that seems to be the best solution to get consistent range and accuracy (needs work but it wasn't as hard as I had imagined it would be).

I chose the MMC set because it seemed to be the cheapest route at the time to get the 90 degrees sear. I read earlier that 45 degrees are prone to slam firing failures (for the record, with only 600 bbs my stock AW338 didn't have this problem). I also read that 90 degrees coupled with zero trigger is the best system (didn't know the MMC was copying zero trigger, but was quite happy that it did, before all the mess I got because of wrecklessness from TNT).

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Old 02-09-2014, 12:39 PM   #37
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@TheRussianSniper: Haha thanks, I got it from a Canadian airsoft store: Aventure Airsoft Lanaudiere - Accueil
I believe they have all 3 versions in stock (OD, Tan, Black).

@imprzaWRC: holy, it seems like there's a lot to think about! Thanks! :)
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Old 02-09-2014, 06:45 PM   #38
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It looks like the new PDI trigger will have a 90 degree sear system judging by the sear on the preview. Also, so are you saying that your trigger is wobbly when the bolt isn't cocked? Finally, are you using the stock cylinder or did you also purchase the cylinder from TNT because my piston is not working and hasn't worked since the beginning. I'm sure there is improper air seal but I'm not sure what problem is exactly.
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Old 02-09-2014, 07:11 PM   #39
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@jkwon: I thought the PDI set looked like a 45 degrees system. Their cylinder set upgrade was meant to work with the 45 degrees original trigger. I presumed that the v-trigger would be a drop in replacement to work with the upgrade they had. Personally, I don't have enough experience to judge any of the 2 system because both worked great.

As for the MMC trigger, it is very wobbly before it is cocked. But I haven't tested if it would wobble just by shaking the rifle (it might). Since the cocked indicator and safety are pretty much gone, I'm currently relying on the looseness of the trigger to tell the difference between cocked or not.

When I bought the upgrade set, TNT didn't have cylinder replacements. TNT mentioned the stock cylinder from Ares is pretty good and will work with the upgrade set. As for the piston, in my compression test without the spring installed, both the original piston and mmc's piston would perform the same (both leaks, both generally moves forward about the same pace). With the spring installed, the mmc piston had better sealing compared to the original piston (still leaks but the piston moves forward at a much slower paced compared to the original Ares's piston). I supposed this is something that would happen with the loose o-ring on the piston design as opposed to a very solid seal between piston head and cylinder body (saw one youtube where perfect seal meant the piston would just stop mid way in the cylinder).

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Old 02-10-2014, 02:17 PM   #40
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All v-triggers are 90-degree system. They come with a new pistonend to convert the pistons from 45 to 90 degree(if needed, assuming you already own a non raven, PDI piston).
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I think I'll just wait for the PDI trigger. It is ridiculous how poor the MMC pro trigger has been considering the money that was spent on it. Never going to even consider TNT ever again.
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@jkwon: Can't blame you for it. No manual. Installation pictures are very blurry. No description on how to go about doing the upgrade. I really hate the fact that I had to dremmel the frame just to be able to properly install the trigger. TNT was saying all that it took was a little sanding, yeah, right!! Not to mention the missing parts. Well, can't go back now. MMC was the first one to come up with something as close to a replacement AW 338's trigger and reading a lot of Ares's quality initially scared the hell out of me. In hindsight, I should have gone with Ares's TX set upgrade parts and never messed with the trigger system.

PDI is more expensive but I've only heard good things about them. Good luck on your upgrade.
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Old 02-16-2014, 10:59 PM   #43
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Couldn't find this anywhere on the net so I thought of posting it here before I loose this somewhere.

ARES AW-338 (Spring Version) User manual / Parts list / Exploded Diagram for MSR-006/ MSR-007 / MSR-008:

Magazine disassembly:
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Cylinder disassembly:
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Old 02-25-2014, 04:18 AM   #44
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Well I have also bought the Ares aw338, about 3 months ago, and I love the looks, standard it shoots quite well, no feeding problems, and untill now the magazine only got stuck once. Now I do have an other problem with it. I ordered, together with my gun, the raven pdi upgrade cylinder set. I've put it inside without any problems, together with a 500fps spring. Result = slam fire. I already shortened the spring many times and every time i try, slam fire. It seems like the sear just can't hold the piston, although it should hold. Anyone had other experiences on this?
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Old 02-25-2014, 04:58 AM   #45
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The stock trigger should hold up to 600 fps spring (S-185). If you think it's been worn, you can buy one directly from ARES. They're not that expensive, though, the shipping might be.

Just for a precaution, I had just bought ARES's TX upgrade set (stainless steel cylinder, piston, spring guide with ball bearing), along with spare piston sear and spring guide stopper. They looked better finished than the stock one that I have. I have not used it though so I don't know how well it'll perform.

Just a dumb suggestion but you can do this test really quick, this is what I found during my upgrade: when you're installing the trigger, make sure that you press the 'front' most of the trigger body to the upper receiver. This can help to reduce the gap between the piston sear catch and the piston sear (sorry if I dont make any sense, but just make sure the 2 front bolts of the trigger is screwed tighter than the 2 rear bolts).

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