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Old 01-17-2017, 11:20 AM   #16
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I am not trying to bash PDI, Reliku. I am stating that it is inconvenient for me to purchase. The off-spec size results in having to buy their parts. This means that a replacement cylinder is labeled as 150$ for some reason.
I could buy a Palsonite kit and see for myself after I buy the EdGi cylinder, but that would just be wasting money. I would have two of the same thing, and 150$ wasted. Unless I build a second, backup rifle in the JG.. Hmm.. Probably not.
Anyways, I misunderstood something by saying it needs a porous surface.
It itself is a porous surface, however.
I am not convinced that this is some sort of magical treatment.
It is actually salt bath nitriding. PDI gives it their own name. Here it is: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nitriding
I am very curios to see how the spring affects the pull.
And some trigger information would be wonderful, Plazma.
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Actually, Palsonite is a Trade name for a specific process. Just like Duralumin, which is a trade name for certain 2000 series aluminum.

With it being "off-spec" (which they are, PDI them selves state they are not made to TM spec.) if you are getting a delrin sleeve put in, the hell does it matter if it is off spec or not?

Now for the triggers. The AA triggers I have had, most of the problems are with the SGS (Spring Guide Stopper), I have broken one, bent 3, 1 falls out all the time. I have bent some pins, broke one of the of the sear connector braces (no clue how on that one, bad luck I guess?), broke the springs in a very short time, and I had install issues. Also the baring felt like it was full of sand, even when it was brand new. Trigger lockups were pretty frequent as well.

I guess I just have had bad luck with AA triggers. But, the rest of their products have been fine with no issues.

The PDI, I just bent the spring guide stopper.

I have yet to have any kind of problem with the S-triggers I have owned. I have 4 including the custom one.
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The custom trigger? Huh. Neat. Tell me about it.

It matters because the piston/cylinder are smaller inside, not outside. This means for only their cylinders.

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Old 01-17-2017, 07:57 PM   #19
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Plaz. I am amazed that you stuffed so many AA Triggers. I can understand the little springs breaking every 20 thousand rounds or so (easy fix) but the spring guide???? I used a SP210 in my rifle for a little while and the AA trigger never missed a beat. What spring did you use to break it so badly?
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Some custom monstrosity not meant for airsoft use ever. A friend of mine is working on some custom springs for me, he wanted me to test one for a build he is working on, and its output wrecked a lot of things. It shot just shy of 1300 fps with a .43g. I really wish I was joking about that number... I have no idea what he is up to, I just wanted him to make me a spring that will output 2j of energy with .32g bbs. But he bought me all the replacement parts for blowing some of my stuff up.
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Old 01-17-2017, 08:40 PM   #21
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OK. So if someone was to use any mass produced spring, the trigger should last a very, very long time.
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To bend it, I used an ss5000. The break is from the other. Most normal springs should be fine.
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and its output wrecked a lot of things. It shot just shy of 1300 fps with a .43g. I really wish I was joking about that number...
That's 30+ J by my quick calculation. Even at 100% efficiency, which is physically impossible, you'd have a bolt pull in the order of 50 lbs if the spring was linear. Realistically probably more than 100 lbs. I could stand on that and it would not cock.

Hell of bolt handle you've got there. Or was it on the list of "other things wrecked"?
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How is this? http://www.pdi.jp/index.php/complete...ustom-set.html
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Pretty bad deal.
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Old 01-18-2017, 05:02 PM   #26
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I see you really want me to buy your VSR-R.
Joking, of course.
I do quite fancy this. It's a value of quite a bit.
Calculated:
150$ handle.
30$ end cap.
130$ receiver and outer barrel.
200$ stock.
130$ trigger.
90$ cylinder set.
20$ spring.
Bull barrel cap: 10$
35$ scope rail.
That's 800$. And for 420$? I feel like it is a good deal.
I was actually going to buy an end cap, rail, and handle. Not from PDI, but from EdGi. That would've been 140$ anyways. I would've gotten a 200$ model works stock, for 340$. And a trigger unit for 120$, and this includes that but more.

I think it's a good buy. I'd like to hear other's opinions.
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That's 30+ J by my quick calculation. Even at 100% efficiency, which is physically impossible, you'd have a bolt pull in the order of 50 lbs if the spring was linear. Realistically probably more than 100 lbs. I could stand on that and it would not cock.

Hell of bolt handle you've got there. Or was it on the list of "other things wrecked"?
Bolt handle was not included in the list of things wrecked. That was removed for a crossbow crank.

That guy, nuckin futz.
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So, what do you all say on the deal though?
I do see the downside to it. They file the stock to accommodate for the PDI receiver.
While this is OK, it may not work on the standard receiver or Reliku's VSR-R.

The second problem is that I was adding in the ridiculous price of the bolt handle. That does make it seem like a much better deal. It is overpriced, it is a piece of metal after all. The process to make it is just very expensive.

The Raven set is a downside.

60$ shipping.

Customs.


But take a look at this. All EdGi compression with his spring guide and an S- Trigger will cost 300$. This is 420$ and has much, much more.

Even a PDI Palsonite set with a spring and trigger will cost 280$. This is just a bit extra and includes the upgrades I've always wanted.
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Old 01-18-2017, 05:43 PM   #29
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PDI and their customer service is great. They said they can change it for a palsonite if I pay the extra 70$. I'm sure they'll make it so the stock won't be filed.
This is a good alternative to me paying the price for a whole new set.

I'm probably going to ask them to exclude the receiver to save 130$.
How's that? A PDI set for 370$. Palsonite, Stock, End Cap, Bolt handle, Trigger.
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