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Old 07-01-2019, 04:12 PM   #1
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There has been some concern over declining quality control in popular VSR-triggers

Which trigger have you used or would recommend?
Has anyone tried the S-Trigger 9.1

Springer S-Trigger 9.1
Action Army 90 Degree Trigger
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Old 07-01-2019, 04:39 PM   #2
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I have the BullTrigg and love it. The sear is a little closer for a “slight fps boost” essentially compressing the spring more. Neat little perk. I’ve used up to an EdGi 700 super spring I custom ordered and it worked flawlessly.
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Old 07-01-2019, 05:25 PM   #3
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I’d also like to add that I used an airsoft pro too. A v4. Worked great with a full airsoft pro kit (trigger piston guide spring cylinder and head). I will never use action army again. I’ve had latching issues too many times even with brand new ones. You can adjust it but I shouldn’t have to be doing that with a brand new product. Airsoft pro kit with cylinder and head is cheaper than an action army kit with cylinder set and way better.
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Old 07-02-2019, 08:38 AM   #4
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Just pick one. It really doesn't matter as long as the sears are upgraded.

I've run a laylax zero trigger for 15 years. No problems.

Any brand can break, and all of them can be fixed.
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I have used most of those. With the exception of the M-trigger, which to my knowledge are amazingly hard to get hold of as they are not made anymore.

I love my S-triggers and PDI triggers. Not a fan of the AA trigger, had too many problems. Never used a Laylax, pretty sure it will be a little nicer then the AA. Do not buy the JJ Airsoft PDI clone, just don't.
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Laylax and AA Trigger are pretty much the same. Big advantage with AA is that you can get parts for them if they ever do have an issue.
I have never tried to bull trigger but I would love to. One advantage I can see with it is that it will increase joule creep. (See if you can figure out why)
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Laylax and AA Trigger are pretty much the same. Big advantage with AA is that you can get parts for them if they ever do have an issue.
I have never tried to bull trigger but I would love to. One advantage I can see with it is that it will increase joule creep. (See if you can figure out why)
Can you measure distance from sear to spring guide stopper on aa trigger?
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Just pick one. It really doesn't matter as long as the sears are upgraded.

I've run a laylax zero trigger for 15 years. No problems.

Any brand can break, and all of them can be fixed.
Just read some reviews for both the laylax and AA and they seem to break more these days. It appears the quality is going down. I don't mind paying more for something that will last at least three or more years.

These are a few of the reviews

Laylax Zero Trigger

"Yes it Is true the spring in the layalax zero trigger kit has broke on me 3 times . Almost once a year . It is very difficult to replace by taking the trigger apart and remembering where everything goes. I have done this 3 times already. But my guy I buy my zero trigger outs and parts from just gives them to me to replace "

"This trigger and piston are machined beautifully. Laylax really makes a beautiful and perfect functioning upgrade. But.... The trigger tension spring will break on you in about 500 shots, even when you are only running a Laylax 110SP spring ( 360 FPS ). "

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"For $150 I expect something that fits and functions without excessive filing grinding and fitting. The materials seem quality at first, but are also already showing signs of excessive wear and Iíve only been able to use it on the field once due to this trigger causing near constant failure of my rifle.
I consider this part to have been a very poor choice for my build, and will not repeat that mistake."

"When I first got my VSR10 I put this trigger and piston in with around an m160 spring. I shot it a few times to play around with it but in less than three months my rifle started to slam fire. I found that the sear that catches on to the piston got worn down! I'm not sure how this could've happened seeing as how others haven't had any problems. It was as if someone filed down the sear and it would't catch on the piston."
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Old 07-02-2019, 04:24 PM   #9
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As I had said on another thread you asked the same question on. The AA trigger does not need filing now. So your reviews are old. Not up to date (I would guess a couple of years old).
Yes the tensioner spring does need replacing on the rarest of occasion but in all the years I have worked on them (8 years Laylax and AA) I have only ever had to replace 3 tensioner springs. (I have a few rifles myself but I also fix guns for many other people too). I have not had to replace on in the last 2 years at a guess.
As for the sear been worn. That would be from that persons bad teching skills. He did something wrong because those sear pretty much never need replacing even if you use an SP210 spring.
Anyway, I guess it comes down to weather you want the lightest nicest trigger pull or a stiff trigger pull. Laylax and AA do have the nicest lightest trigger pull.
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It would serve you well to remember that you're on a forum where people are much more likely to report negative outcomes with various parts than positive ones. Just because a few people had bad luck and posted about it here doesn't mean the parts themselves are defective or poor quality. You're never going to see a thread with the title "Just wanted to let you know my Laylax/AA/whatever trigger works just like its supposed to."

From a numbers perspective I would bet most users here are running AA or Laylax triggers, so of course you're going to see more failures. Not to mention that design is one of the oldest that's been regularly available. Also remember that with all of the clones available today of the VSR that you're inevitably going to run into fitment issues depending on the clone and whether the user did their proper research before buying the trying in a new trigger.
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It would serve you well to remember that you're on a forum where people are much more likely to report negative outcomes with various parts than positive ones. Just because a few people had bad luck and posted about it here doesn't mean the parts themselves are defective or poor quality. You're never going to see a thread with the title "Just wanted to let you know my Laylax/AA/whatever trigger works just like its supposed to."

From a numbers perspective I would bet most users here are running AA or Laylax triggers, so of course you're going to see more failures. Not to mention that design is one of the oldest that's been regularly available. Also remember that with all of the clones available today of the VSR that you're inevitably going to run into fitment issues depending on the clone and whether the user did their proper research before buying the trying in a new trigger.
Thanks for your advice.
I agree. When people are not happy they post negative reviews more often than positive ones. For every 100 positive hotel reviews on Trip Advisor, you will find at least one negative one.

That is why I am replying on the experienced people here to steer me in the right direction. Experienced techs have more knowledge to rely on than the person who tinkers once every few years. You also always have the, "one in a thousand" quality control issues with any product.

Have you tried any other triggers in addition to the AA and Laylax?

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Old 07-02-2019, 10:52 PM   #12
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I have used most of those. With the exception of the M-trigger, which to my knowledge are amazingly hard to get hold of as they are not made anymore.

I love my S-triggers and PDI triggers. Not a fan of the AA trigger, had too many problems. Never used a Laylax, pretty sure it will be a little nicer then the AA. Do not buy the JJ Airsoft PDI clone, just don't.
So you have had a lot of problems with the AA trigger? Can you still get PDI triggers?
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As I had said on another thread you asked the same question on. The AA trigger does not need filing now. So your reviews are old. Not up to date (I would guess a couple of years old).
Yes the tensioner spring does need replacing on the rarest of occasion but in all the years I have worked on them (8 years Laylax and AA) I have only ever had to replace 3 tensioner springs. (I have a few rifles myself but I also fix guns for many other people too). I have not had to replace on in the last 2 years at a guess.
As for the sear been worn. That would be from that persons bad teching skills. He did something wrong because those sear pretty much never need replacing even if you use an SP210 spring.
Anyway, I guess it comes down to weather you want the lightest nicest trigger pull or a stiff trigger pull. Laylax and AA do have the nicest lightest trigger pull.
Thanks for your advice.
Doesn't the sear break often on the stock VSR-10's once you install a stronger spring?

I am more concerned about reliability. Have you tried S-triggers or PDI triggers? How do they compare?
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The stock sears are not good. They will not handle a big spring.


I have used Laylax, AA, PDI and JJ Airsoft. Out of them it would be a toss up between the AA and the PDI.
The PDI has a stiffer trigger pull but has less breakage issues (though I am not sure how well they go with springs bigger than an M170 whereas the AA can handle the MS210).
The AA has a very nice trigger pull but does have the tensioner spring issue that can occur on the rear occasion. But to be honest, it is pretty easy to fix once you have done it once and it only cost a dollar or two to fix. (My advise is to take a photo of the internals next time you have it apart).
So either of them. They both have their advantages and disadvantages.
Either way will be fine.
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Yes, you can still get PDI parts. I strongly suggest ordering from x-fire.org if you want PDI.

Pro tip: Keep an eye on Japanese holidays, X-fire runs sales during major ones and you can get a full PDI set for less then a full AA or Laylax build.

I have experienced every single issue you can have with the AA. Some of them even with "New" stock from IDO. Again it boils down to issues with clones or shit quality components or who knows. As for springs breaking, that is likely a supplier issue. Mind you, I got all of it to work and fixed all of them, but for the price and claims of a certain someone, I shouldn't have needed to take the levels of teching I needed to. However, take everyone's experiences with a grain of salt, your experience will be different then others. There are multiple AA units I have put in with no issues whatsoever.

So far my PDI trigger has held up quite well given the ss5000 its dealing with. Honestly, any of the triggers you listed will likely be fine for what you are wanting. (So long as you are not doing something crazy.) You can also order replacement parts for your trigger from X-fire in the event that you need to.
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