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Old 05-12-2020, 07:31 AM   #1
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PDI w hold vs ML mrhop

I'm currently using a 50 degree pdi w hold with omega nub, the mrhop seems to be a drop in rhop according to the very small amount of reviews out there, has anyone compared these two buckings? I use a ML CJ if that makes a difference
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Old 05-12-2020, 09:29 AM   #2
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What a weird combo. I would have thought a W hold needed a type B arm style nub to work best.
Anyway, I can't speak for an MR but I can speak from experience with an Autobot and yes they really are that much better.
Autobot or MR with a skee or pantera nub will be a good upgrade for you.
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Old 05-12-2020, 09:47 AM   #3
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I thought the pdi w hold is better than the Autobot?
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Old 05-12-2020, 10:16 AM   #4
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The PDI W hold is an older set up. No one around here really runs those anymore.

Autobot has been king for a while now with a good nub (skees or panthera or custom). MR Hop i get better results with on a VSR. Too leaky for other platforms so far (for me).

If you're getting results you're happy with then I wouldn't change it. If you think you're missing out on some performance I think the ML set ups are worth a look.
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Old 05-12-2020, 10:30 AM   #5
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is the ML omega a good nub and if I'm switching to the ML should I run 50 or 60 degree? my vsr shoots 495 with .2s
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Old 05-12-2020, 10:35 AM   #6
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Sodium is correct, the omega nub isn’t designed for the w hold style bucking. Use a type B arm like he mentioned (solid nub not fanged) and it will be good. I also agree that it’s outdated. But a pdi w hold with the proper arm and a maple leaf combo would probably be the same. However so many people stand by the maple leaf setup, you can’t go wrong with an ML diamond or autobot 60° and panthera nub.
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Old 05-12-2020, 11:00 AM   #7
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then what bucking is the omega designed for?

because omega nubs are way easier to get than Panthera nubs over here
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Old 05-12-2020, 11:04 AM   #8
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then what bucking is the omega designed for?

because omega nubs are way easier to get than Panthera nubs over here
Itīs designed for buckings with a concave contact patch, such as all the ML buckings.
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Old 05-12-2020, 11:28 AM   #9
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The omega can work, the issue with it is the QC on them can be wonky and they don't fill the whole window of the AA chamber which allows movement.

If you can't get panthera, then get a skeees nub.
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I read reliku's post in another thread and in that thread he says the patch on the skee nub is too big and deforms the contact patch providing inconsistent hop
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Old 05-12-2020, 03:55 PM   #11
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That thread is YEARS old. I did a more recent test comparing it to the panthera and they are about equal.

The panthera is the exact same length as the skeees as well...
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Masada has his nubs now too!!
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