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Old 05-14-2020, 04:15 PM   #1
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Hey all,

Finally got around to trying my vsr build the other day, and noticed that with a 2+ joule spring (rapax), I was getting roughly 1.8 joules, which I kinda expected with the wasp piston. With the limit being 2.3, I brought a 3+ joule spring with the intention of cutting it down, but this is still only firing at 2.15 joules.

I checked the airseal on the cylinder, and that stalls halfway until I lift my finger, but when covering the inner barrel, the gun fires as normal, making me believe that the issue is with the hop unit. I use the action army chamber, so taped the bucking to the black thing (barrel guide?). This hasn't helped with the airseal at all.

Any other tips to try? And on a side note, is it possible to put the rapax spring in the wrong way round?

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Old 05-14-2020, 05:05 PM   #2
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The sealing issue is likely between the nozzle and the bucking. Some others here can affirm and give advice
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Old 05-14-2020, 05:43 PM   #3
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What bucking?
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Old 05-14-2020, 06:10 PM   #4
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What bucking?
I'm using maple leaf MR.Hop 70 I'm not using the little metal ring on it as I suspected that it was causing the nozzle to not sit right :/ Is it possible that the nozzle is too short?

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The MR hop leaks bad, and there is not much you can do about it. Performance wise, as in range and accuracy, should perform well even if you are not shooting at max power.

When I tried it, my rifle went from 3.6J to 2.5J. Which is a pretty substantial loss. Range was about the same and accuracy was slightly better at range, but it took forever for those rounds to get there. Ultimately I switched back to my Autobot 60.
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Old 05-14-2020, 07:27 PM   #6
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The MR hop leaks bad, and there is not much you can do about it. Performance wise, as in range and accuracy, should perform well even if you are not shooting at max power.

When I tried it, my rifle went from 3.6J to 2.5J. Which is a pretty substantial loss. Range was about the same and accuracy was slightly better at range, but it took forever for those rounds to get there. Ultimately I switched back to my Autobot 60.
Looks like I'm going to have to pick up a new bucking :(


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Old 05-14-2020, 08:14 PM   #7
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Sniper mechanics new flamingo should be coming out soon, and that might be a good bucking. It should be way better than the previous iteration. Otherwise, I'd probably go with an autobot if you don't want to wait.
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Old 05-14-2020, 08:17 PM   #8
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Sniper mechanics new flamingo should be coming out soon, and that might be a good bucking. It should be way better than the previous iteration. Otherwise, I'd probably go with an autobot if you don't want to wait.
I needed to grab some bits anyway, so I've ordered the Autobot, but I'll check it out, thanks

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Old 05-14-2020, 08:30 PM   #9
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IF you want to risk spending the money on the new Flamingo iteration.

The last Flamingo was absolute trash. I mean I cannot stress enough how god awful it was. That, and all you would hear on facebook is if you didn't get good results "you didn't install it right". All you heard up to release was how amazing it was with some scope cam videos that you could achieve with any other decent bucking.

I mean it's a damn rubber bucking. If it requires an instruction manual to install then it IS NOT ANY GOOD. I perform surgeries on a daily basis where I have to place things within tenths of a millimeter of important anatomical structures so that the outcome will be successful and the patient won't be harmed. You're gonna tell me I couldn't install a piece of rubber onto a metal tube???

Then the one thing that REALLY rubbed me the wrong way was the total radio silence from the manufacturer on how awful his bucking was. If you paid any attention he NEVER was the one saying it was installed incorrectly. He didn't defend it publicly. He let the fan bois do it. He knew it was shit and just stayed quiet so he could sell what stock he had purchased to be manufactured. THAT's the part that pisses me off the most.

Look, I've said elsewhere here and I'll mention it again. I love the snipermechanic WASP piston. It's great. I have no reason to ever change it, although I wish he would make replacement airbrakes readily available so I could continue experimenting.

I would NEVER buy another bucking from him. Ever. If someone wants to send me one to test for free, I might consider it, but it's going into a hi capa first, then a Mk23. It would have to have great results on those before it EVER makes it into my VSR again.

I hate to call a product out like that, but I can't forgive false advertising and no accountability.
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Eh. He knows his bucking was trash and has admitted that in recent history. I doubt he would make the same mistakes twice. New bucking is made by a different factory, different patch, different material, different everything. You're right though, he should have said something BEFORE all of his fanbois made him thousands... The way he sold it was a little evil, but hey, regarding the new one: a good bucking is a good bucking... it's a 15 dollar purchase, so who cares.
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Old 05-14-2020, 09:04 PM   #11
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I don't mean this tongue in cheek at all, so I'm saying that here because text can be an easily misunderstood medium. I missed where he admitted it was bad. Do you have a link or can show me where? The only evidence I ever saw he knew it was bad was that he needed to release a new version.

I remember the marketing on the original. The material was supposed to be super durable and work in extreme temperatures. Mine shredded on my VSR in less than 100 rounds just from the nozzle rubbing it. The nub permanently deformed the bucking and left an impression in the material after a week. It sealed... and that was about all it did well. I got 5 of them in different hardnesses to test on multiple platforms too.

I remember him posting you HAD to tape the muzzle end (which I do on all buckings anyway) which was suspect. There was even a specific way and amount of tape to use, which I followed... No benefit.

It was claimed to give 'an improved flight path'... whatever that means. It shot fine when it wanted to. Fliers were very common though. Never got the same performance consistency wise as an autobot but I gave it a fair shake in my Hi Capa and Mk23. Just never worked out.

Then, and I'm not going to speculate on the reasons as it could be ANYTHING, but he kind of stepped away completely for a number of months from manufacturing anything. This was pretty shortly after the flamingo was officially released and people had started to see it wasn't all it was sold to be. His FB page was down, and the website got no updates until he did an overhaul on it but still no social media communication or new products for quite some time.

Anyway, I'd love to see what you're referencing. I'd sell his piston for him all day long, but damn he shat the bed on the bucking.
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I'm mostly referencing an instagram story post of his where he spoke of how he was making all of these drastic changes, putting extreme emphasis on material and factory change due to the previous faults. To me, creating the new bucking and naming all of these very basic changes is effectively admission of the first being a failure, as if it was what it was supposed to be, he wouldn't be making them. I don't think there is any text out there of him admitting fault other than the drastic bucking rework though.
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The Autobot 70 is a very good bucking at 3 joules
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