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Old 11-26-2011, 10:23 PM   #1
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First off I'd like to attribute this information to bobgengeskahn, Ronin055, and the many other helpful people on here and on airsoftforum.com. None of this is my own work; I just happen to have read about the Echo 1 ASR for 30 hours so far this week.

What I found is the lack of an "all you can eat" collection of information for this rifle. My goal is to provide that. Moderators, please feel free to edit this post.



ECHO 1 ASR - http://www.airsoftgi.com/product_inf...oducts_id=6572 - $100-115 USD


About the base rifle:
The Echo 1 ASR is a rebrand of the WELL MB06. On the lower end of the price range for sniper rifle platforms, it is generally accepted that upgrades are required to field this weapon in a war. This is also one of the few bolt action sniper rifles (BASR) that can be easily modified to a left-handed rifle.


Are there common issues?:
The number one reported issue is a loose stock. This can be corrected by disassembling the receiver and tightening the stock from the inside.


What parts should I upgrade?:
Here is a list of upgrade parts, based on a mash-up of bob's, Ronin's, and various posts I have found. I'm adding in 'options' so you can play with your price range. When it comes to quality though, you get what you pay for.

Compatibility explained by bob:
"Cylinder, trigger, piston, spring, guide etc. are APS2. Hop up, barrel, spacers, outer barrel threads are L96."
<blockquote>
Upgrade Kits: $33-
<blockquote>
Echo 1 - This kit comes with "an upgraded metal spring guide, upgraded metal piston, an upgraded spring, and a torque absorbing bearing set." - $33
http://www.airsoftatlanta.com/ECHO_1...it_p/12201.htm

Angel Custom Advanced Precision Airsoft APS / APS2 / Type 96 / M99 500 FPS SP150 Tune Up Kit - $48
Includes Carbon Steel SP150 high power irregular pitch power-up spring, 100% T6 Aluminum High Performance Piston, 100% T6 Aluminum High Performance Spring Guide with guide rod.
http://www.evike.com/product_info.ph...ducts_id=35641
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Inner Barrel: $35-74
What to look for? Steel and brass are superior materials than aluminum.
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Prometheus 455mm / 6.03mm EG Tight Bore Barrel for Airsoft AEG (AK47, AK47S Length) - $74
http://www.evike.com/product_info.ph...ducts_id=24387

New Version Mad Bull Airsoft Black Python 6.03mm tight Bore Inner AEG Barrel. (455mm) - $30
http://www.evike.com/product_info.ph...ducts_id=24374



LONGER BARRELS, REQUIRE SILENCER/BARREL EXTENSION

MadBull Ver. 2 Precision Inner Barrel for M16 (509mm) - $35
http://www.airsoftgi.com/product_inf...oducts_id=1231

Why nothing longer?
vindi says: "It has long been accepted in the spring powered bolt action world that anything over 509mm is pointless and actually causes the rifle to be less accurate"

</blockquote>
Barrel Spacers: $18-20
You can also make your own if you are on a budget.
<blockquote>
Laylax PSS96 barrel spacer - $20
http://www.airsoftextreme.com/store/...oducts_id=1325

Modify L96 Barrel Spacer Set - $18
http://www.precisionairsoft.com/Modi...t-p/mod040.htm
</blockquote>
Hop Up Chamber: $85
<blockquote>
PDI Hop-Up Unit for Maruzen Type 96 Airsoft Sniper Rifle UTG L96 - $85
http://www.airsoftoutletnw.com/index...mart&Itemid=28
</blockquote>
Hop Up Bucking: $5-16
<blockquote>
Guarder improved hop bucking (Hard) - $5
http://www.airsoftextreme.com/store/...oducts_id=1188
Firefly Hop Bucking - Hard - $16
http://www.airsoftextreme.com/store/...08adeaaulpe6j3
</blockquote>
Spring: $15-20
<blockquote>
Angel Custom PSS2 Mega-Up APS / Type96 Power Up Spring - SP150 (420~520 FPS) - $15
http://www.evike.com/product_info.ph...ducts_id=35660

FF PSS2 M150 (thick type) - $18
http://www.airsoftextreme.com/store/...oducts_id=1396

Angel Custom PSS2 Mega-Up APS / Type96 Power Up Spring - SP170 (480~550 FPS) - $15
http://www.evike.com/product_info.ph...ducts_id=35661

FF PSS2 M170 (thick type) - $20
http://www.airsoftextreme.com/store/...oducts_id=1397

Why nothing more powerful (>170)?:
bobgengeskahn says: "I would also recommend that people NOT put anything over a M150 or M170 spring. I have a M210 in mine and have successfully torqued/bent my bolt handle."
</blockquote>
Scope: $45-70
<blockquote>
Tactical 3-9x40 Rubber Scope (Ruby Lens) W/ Scope Ring Set by NC Star / AIM - $45
http://www.evike.com/product_info.php?products_id=28108

Leapers 5th Gen 3-9x50 AO Mil-Dot Rifle Scope with R/G Reticle, 1" Tube - $70
http://www.pyramydair.com/s/a/Leaper...cle_1_Tube/658
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Silencer/Barrel Extension: $23-60 (OPTIONAL)
<blockquote>
ELEMENT silencer "NATO" engraved 14mm +/- - $23
http://www.weaponblender.com/index.php?productID=839

Echo1 M28 Type Airsoft Force Recon Barrel Extension - (14mm Negative / Covers up 180mm of outer barrel) - $55
http://www.evike.com/product_info.ph...ducts_id=36004

Madbull Gemtech Quick Detatch Mock Supressor Barrel Extension w/ QD Flashhider. (Black) - $60
http://www.evike.com/product_info.ph...ducts_id=29763
</blockquote>



</blockquote>
What DIY upgrades should I perform?:
<blockquote>
Should I "swiss-cheese" my piston?
<blockquote>
vindicareassassin replies: "For all those of you who are thinkin 'Oh, I'll Swiss cheese my piston as it will be lighter and spring forward easier', stop it! Leave such mods to the go faster full auto queens, for a DMR it is a good thing to have the extra weight. You will need the extra weight in the piston to help to shift the heavy weight BBs you should be using, as nothing gets things moving like a heavy object with some inertia behind it. "
</blockquote>
Teflon Tape Seal Improvement:

Make your own Fishbone Hop Up Nub:
http://www.filakairsoft.net/index.php?showtopic=733

Polish your new barrel:
https://www.airsoftsniperforum.com/ph...pic.php?t=1463
</blockquote>



In general, I know there is more that I don't know than I do know, and I welcome any corrections, comments, or additions.
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Old 11-26-2011, 10:26 PM   #2
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Input please!

http://www.evike.com/product_info.php?products_id=35654
AND
http://www.evike.com/product_info.php?products_id=35692
AND
Spring of your choice

OR

http://www.evike.com/product_info.ph...ducts_id=35641

OR

Echo 1 upgrade kit?




Also, is the "Angel Custom PSS2 Power Accuracy Piston Head for APS Type 96 Series Airsoft Sniper Rifles" worth it? Or can the same thing be accomplished with teflon?
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Old 11-26-2011, 11:03 PM   #3
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Why are the barrels listed 6.01s? They're not as accurate as larger bore barrels of the same quality.
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Old 11-26-2011, 11:10 PM   #4
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Quote:
Originally Posted by metallicafatcat
Why are the barrels listed 6.01s? They're not as accurate as larger bore barrels of the same quality.
Thanks, I'm removing the 6.01s!
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Old 11-26-2011, 11:38 PM   #5
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Can anyone confirm if the HP Enhanced Hop up unit for MB-01 series - http://www.gunnerairsoft.com/catalog...oducts_id=1371 will work?
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Old 11-27-2011, 10:22 AM   #6
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Nice job on the write-up! For that last section I would recommend pulling some pics and putting a link from here http://www.filakairsoft.net/index.php?showtopic=733. That's not exactly what I did for my ASR, but it gives you a good idea of what to do.

Also, from what I have heard, the Echo1 kit is garbage (I believe Ronin actually has/had one, so he would be better to ask). I have the PSS APS2 piston and head, they work great with white lithium grease in there.

I would also recommend that people NOT put anything over a M150 or M170 spring. I have a M210 in mine ( http://www.airsoftextreme.com/store/...oducts_id=1399 ) and have successfully torqued/bent my bolt handle.
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Old 11-27-2011, 03:30 PM   #7
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Thanks bob! Updating now.

Edit: bob, I removed the 'wall of text' from your nub how-to, and inserted the link you gave. If you wouldn't mind writing up a thread tutorial for the nub you made, I'll swap out the link to yours.

Ronin, input on the Echo 1 upgrade kit? Thanks!
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Old 11-27-2011, 06:48 PM   #8
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Pricing it out for the parts I'm looking at comes to:


AirsoftOutletNW:
Rifle - $115
PDI Hop Up for L96 - $85

ShortyUSA:
Left hand bolt - $10 (includes shipping & handling)

AirsoftExtreme:
Guarder hard hop up bucking - $5
Prometheus 6.03 455mm - $45 on sale

Evike:
Angel Custom APS2/96 Tune Up Kit (spring, spring guide, piston) $48
NC Star 3-9x40 - $35
(Shipping & coupon even out)


GRAND TOTAL: $355 plus some CA tax and any Handling fees not otherwise advertised.

(Having a lefty nail driver... priceless ;) )
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Quote:
Originally Posted by wyvernfist

AirsoftExtreme: PSS96 Barrel Spacer....

Make your own!!
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AirsoftExtreme: PSS96 Barrel Spacer....

Make your own!!
I was going to purchase one to 'size' my customs off of. You're right though, I should save that money for more BBs!
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What I'll probably do actually is start a new thread in the general section you can link to, since its something that can be done to any hopup unit, and that way the mods can sticky it if they want.

Also, I wouldn't spend that much on a scope for airsoft, especially an NcStar scope. I got mine at Big5 for ~$35 and it works fine... you can check it out when we meet up.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by bobgengeskahn
I wouldn't spend that much on a scope for airsoft, especially an NcStar scope. I got mine at Big5 for ~$35 and it works fine... you can check it out when we meet up.
That's how much this scope is ;) $50 is from the Angel Custom upgrade kit
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Old 11-28-2011, 07:38 PM   #13
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I met bobgengeskahn at Airsoft Extreme today. He brought his ASR and I got to play with it. Phew is a 210 spring hard to handle! I was definitely impressed by the weight.. more of the body is metal than I thought.

They were having a black friday sale, so I picked up a Promi 455m 6.03 for $45. Stoked!
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Old 11-29-2011, 04:36 PM   #14
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Nice collection, I have spent much of the last 3 weeks trying to find a lot of the same information, and you have done a great job of putting it in one place.

A few of questions I am still trying to find answers to:

Good grip upgrade? I have seen a lot of conjecture but not much knowledge. There used to be an adapter for AEG grips, but it appears to be gone. I am about to take mine to Cabelas to do real steel grip shopping. I've been looking at ar-15 and ar-25 grips.

Solid stock upgrade? I use my ASR from the shoulder and I hate stock wiggle. I would like to see this ACE style on an ASR. http://echo1usa.com/English/index.php?ma....6a4gqvk1sm08 n4

Which adjustable stocks work? I have seen CTR type stocks used, although there is some debate as to which will work and which won't.

Last question... Why not 6.01 barrels? I have been looking at different 455mm 6.01 as my next upgrade.

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Saint, make an intro post before the mods get you. As to the reason to no 6.01s is because observed physics makes them less than ideal. There are a large amount of factors that go behind this, some too long to explain. It's out there, just search for it.
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