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Old 02-11-2019, 02:24 AM   #1
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Help with Ares Amoeba Striker AS-01

Hello, I'd like to know if this gun is a good pick as a starter sniper and if it can be used in stock condition (because after I buy it I dont think I'll have enough money for many upgrades). I might want to buy a stronger AEG spring for it but I don't know if the internals can handle a stronger one. (and if it can I'd appreciate some suggestions or minor upgrades).
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Old 02-11-2019, 03:41 AM   #2
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A much better rifle is the Jing Gong Bar10.
Another stock gun that is cheap is the A&K M24 and it is also built like a brick. Like all M24's though, it is heavy
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Old 02-11-2019, 07:40 AM   #3
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Get the AS02, although it's not perfect yet it addresses some of the issues the 01 has (90° sear, better cylinder/barrel volume ratio, cocking indicator being held in place by a screw rather than friction, better magazine well).
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Old 02-11-2019, 07:40 AM   #4
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A much better rifle is the Jing Gong Bar10.
Another stock gun that is cheap is the A&K M24 and it is also built like a brick. Like all M24's though, it is heavy
Thank you for suggesting that. I was reading up on VSR compatible snipers just now. Is the JG Bar 10 good to use as stock? Or can it handle a stronger spring without breaking with the stock triggerbox and other internals?

The A&K M24 is indeed a pretty strong pick aswell (I watched some reviews of it and people seem pretty pleased with its stock performance).

Another sniper that caught my eye was the Well MB08 (which is a L96 type of gun) but is not as upgradable as a VSR 10, even though ill be using it stock for some time before changing parts.
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Old 02-11-2019, 09:57 AM   #5
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Thank you for suggesting that. I was reading up on VSR compatible snipers just now. Is the JG Bar 10 good to use as stock? Or can it handle a stronger spring without breaking with the stock triggerbox and other internals?
Absolutely not IMO. If you are going to play heavy joules (which is in fact probably around 2J) the sear will wear out insanely quickly for the BAR (similar to the genuine VSR) as a result of pot metal and design flaw of the VSR system. You will absolutely need a trigger assembly that is made up of steel to withstand some extreme springs (Action or AA as the absolute minimum) as well as lessen the difficulty in pushing back the bolt.

Cylinder is stronger and easier to work on than the Marui ones, but still not able to withstand springs of power that are absolutely bonkers.

The BAR-10 is only good if you upgrade it to the brim leaving pretty much only the stock behind - in which case you probably will be better off with an Action Army T10 instead for having much better stock parts IMHO (but then afaik you can't get the t10 in the USA legally??? not sure)

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Another sniper that caught my eye was the Well MB08 (which is a L96 type of gun) but is not as upgradable as a VSR 10, even though ill be using it stock for some time before changing parts.
APS2 L96s will have problems upgrading since they are much rarer in circulation. WELL guns aren't something that you'd want to use completely stock either, with reasons similar to BAR-10 and other clones, but upgrading one wouldn't be too bad except with more difficulty in finding parts.


The AS02 comes with a few issues apart from the cylinder problem - which can be dealt with by Nemo kits but thing is extra expensive.

1. Ares is known for their QC being crap, with stock up chambers sometimes can be a hit or miss, either working flawlessly rendering an AA chamber unnecessary, or can be so bad they are unbearable. But the thing is they used pot metal for their hop up chamber screws which strip like mad, so if you happen to have a good one make sure you replace the screws before they get so stripped you can't remove them from the chamber.

2. Indicator is crap regardless of 02 or 01, but at least the body pin on 02 is much more rigid and wouldn't break super easily unlike the stupid 01's easy-unlock pin. That has to be snapped for a smoother bolt pull.

3. Bolt pull is inherently heavy. No workarounds except stuff like lubing or removing the cover paint of the rifle.

But otherwise it's a pick that's worth considering.
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Old 02-11-2019, 12:55 PM   #6
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As said by TenshouYoku, the Bar10 is not great stock but when upgraded it is the best possible airsoft sniper rifle on the market. But this cost a lot.
The A&K M24 can handle big springs straight off but like I said, it is heavy like all M24's.
The MB08 is a good platform to start out with but it needs to be fully upgraded to handle big springs. AirsoftPro and Action Army sell parts for them and they are great.
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Old 02-11-2019, 03:13 PM   #7
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What would be the best choice for me considering that I have like 210€ that I can spend? I was actually interested in buying the Bar 10 and getting a new hop up and bucking, and even a new barrel if I can afford it. Anyway I don't really think that should be the way to go but I kinda need some guidance.
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Old 02-11-2019, 07:38 PM   #8
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Personally, I would get a Bar10 and also an upgrade trigger and piston.
This will get you range and often, the stock hopup, bucking and barrel can be pretty accurate especially if you clean the inner barrel as much as possible be fore use.


I know other people will say that the hopup and barrel are the most important but if you don't have range, sniping can suck
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A stock BAR10 can be made to shoot decently without a complete gutting of it. Swap the sears to a steel set, polish out the inner barrel, ML bucking, ml arm, teflon tape the bucking, grease the internals with better grease. Use .28 to .32g on the stock spring.

There are other upgrades to be had for s much better experience, but that will scrape you by.
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To be perfectly honest, rather than getting the BAR-10 and move a lot of stuff around you might as well buy an AACT10. (not that a BAR-10 as an upgrade platform is bad, though)

An AACT10:

- Comes with a sturdy 90 degree sear system, saving you the need to upgrade the trigger group (which can easily cost more than a BAR-10 just alone); while piston is plastic it will survive general usage, and is lighter which can be a plus
- Chamber isn't the AA red chamber, but it's still airtight and VSR-compatible, and you won't get a good chamber from a BAR-10 anyway
- Barrel group is already decent enough
- Looks awesome
- Bolt and bolt handle is hands down better than the BAR-10, and most importantly
- Fully VSR-compatible so anything you need to upgrade wouldn't be a problem for the T10 anyway
- Fits your budget well, you will end up only spending 2x the price you use to buy a BAR-10 but comes with many upgrades typical on a kitted out VSR which IMO is a killer deal


(note: A BAR in my region costs 780HKD (~88 Euro), TM VSR costs not more than 130 Euro, while a T10 is 160, for those who are wondering. In comparison, just the AA Zero Trigger itself costs 135 Euro, so for me it's entirely a no-brainer to go straight for the T10 but that probably doesn't make sense for you guys)

The weak spring is not something you can't easily fix and the sears can easily handle M130+ without problems.

IMHO a BAR-10 with killer upgrades is only for those that knows very well what they are doing and if you have a huge amount of buck lying around. The VSR-10/BAR-10 platform upgrade can net you insane performance, sure, but it's way too costly and personally it's stupid you need to spend so much money on a barely decent gun to make it awesome. The chamber is leaky and of questionable quality, barrel and bucking sucks, sear and cylinder will not survive heavy springs regardless, where attempts to solve all that would net you a total bill similar, if not actually higher than a T10, while not having the kick-ass stock that comes with the T10.

And most importantly, much less is needed to work on the gun. This saves a lot of headaches you'd face when kitting out a VSR
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Old 02-12-2019, 07:14 AM   #11
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So back to topic, about the AS01.

A lot of people here would just say "AS01 succ, VSR rulez get BAR and upgrade it with $$$", which has a degree of true in it, hence I will try to be as objective as possible and list out some facts about it. (currently owning an AS-02 kitted a bit, as well as a kitted VSR and an APS2 L96)

The AS-01 (or the AS-02)'s pros:

1. Stock is kick-ass and really, really sturdy, so is the receiver and the outer barrel, with no play. Doesn't feel as filmsy as the VSR's original stock.
2. It's 2.1KG in weight which to be fair isn't a lot more than a VSR's 1.9KG and is definitely on the light side.
3. TDC hop-up adjustment by default.
4. Hop up chamber is not leaky by default (if you are lucky).
5. Chamber group is VSR-compatible, so you can use VSR buckings and barrels.
6. Sear height and trigger weight is adjustable.
7. Supported by Action Army, Ares Amoeba themselves and Bespoke so parts are not a problem, unlike most rifles out there that are not VSR-based.
8. Cheap.....like really cheap. It doesn't cost a lot more than 120 USD, while having a build way better than a BAR-10. During the safety hoax made by Elite Airsoft (which is entirely crap anyway), Ares sold it so cheaply it actually only costs $602 HKD, which is actually cheaper than a BAR-10.
9. (only for AS-02 or a short-barreled AS-01) extremely short barrel length. Balances out the volume problem as well as making the gun ridiculously short overall, vastly improving maneuverability.

On-the-fence:

1. Bolt stroke distance is something depending on user. On one hand, the shorter distance means it's faster to reload, but at the same time the short stroke distance means you will have to exert a much larger amount of force in order to get the same amount of power out of the spring compared to the VSR. Obviously, this is a clear pro if you are running HPA or CO2 as bolt resistance will not be an issue at all.
2. Magazines are cool and big. They are also easier to detach than the VSR. However, VSR magazines are a lot more practical due to their ridiculously tiny size.
3. Take-down of the rifle is very easy, even moreso than the VSR. However, reassembling it, particularly reinserting the bolt is an another story due to a design flaw regarding to the trigger sears.

The Cons:

1. Cylinder volume will always be a problem when used to compare with a VSR. This means you will not shoot as much air from the gun, limiting the weight of BBs you can fire. You can augment this with a shorter barrel but that means either money or sawing off the barrel manually. (less of a problem in short barreled variants or in AS-02)
2. Body pin is designed by monkeys. The AS01 pin is nothing short of being terrible, from being easy to pop out of the gun or breaks down very very easily, leaving you with no usable pins. It also causes a plethora of issues like dead man's trigger and increasing bolt resistance. (solved in AS-02 as it's now a screw-on type rather than the slot-in type, it's much more tougher and doesn't fall off)
3. Due to how BBs are inserted into the gun, you will always leave a few BBs unusable at the bottom of the magazine. This is not a problem with the VSR.
4. Cylinder is weak and will wear out easily after heavy use.
5. Default is 45 degree sear which makes bolt push a chore (not a problem for AS-02 as it's 90 degrees by default)
6. Ares QC is pretty terrible most of the time. A bit better than JG for sure, but obviously vastly inferior to Tokyo Marui (little does anyway, though)

So what do the above comparisons, as well as actual practice suggest about the AS-01?
- The gun is a poor choice if you live in the States or in Taiwan, where sniper rifles enjoy the privilege to shoot really REALLY hot, owning to their bolt pull limitation and volume issues. While you can subvert that with the NEMO cylinder kit, the kit is very very expensive, and it still cannot solve the resistance issue as it's a physical limitation that warrants a total design overhaul.
- On the other hand, the gun is an actually pretty awesome choice if you only need to shoot sub-2Js, such as Hong Kong (likely where it was designed for) or most European states. Bolt racking is more tolerable, cylinder volume isn't so much of a problem, with firepower limitations balance out the advantage of VSRs somewhat.
- While a niche position in general, the short barrel makes the AS-02 or short AS-01s a very viable choice in more close-quartered battle conditions.
- Overall, this gun is a viable pick when guns are not allowed to fire very hot, and is best suited for a "low investment" style of play - not requiring a lot of investments to yield a satisfactory result.
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Old 02-12-2019, 02:51 PM   #12
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So back to topic, about the AS01.

A lot of people here would just say "AS01 succ, VSR rulez get BAR and upgrade it with $$$", which has a degree of true in it, hence I will try to be as objective as possible and list out some facts about it. (currently owning an AS-02 kitted a bit, as well as a kitted VSR and an APS2 L96)

The AS-01 (or the AS-02)'s pros:

1. Stock is kick-ass and really, really sturdy, so is the receiver and the outer barrel, with no play. Doesn't feel as filmsy as the VSR's original stock.
2. It's 2.1KG in weight which to be fair isn't a lot more than a VSR's 1.9KG and is definitely on the light side.
3. TDC hop-up adjustment by default.
4. Hop up chamber is not leaky by default (if you are lucky).
5. Chamber group is VSR-compatible, so you can use VSR buckings and barrels.
6. Sear height and trigger weight is adjustable.
7. Supported by Action Army, Ares Amoeba themselves and Bespoke so parts are not a problem, unlike most rifles out there that are not VSR-based.
8. Cheap.....like really cheap. It doesn't cost a lot more than 120 USD, while having a build way better than a BAR-10. During the safety hoax made by Elite Airsoft (which is entirely crap anyway), Ares sold it so cheaply it actually only costs $602 HKD, which is actually cheaper than a BAR-10.
9. (only for AS-02 or a short-barreled AS-01) extremely short barrel length. Balances out the volume problem as well as making the gun ridiculously short overall, vastly improving maneuverability.

On-the-fence:

1. Bolt stroke distance is something depending on user. On one hand, the shorter distance means it's faster to reload, but at the same time the short stroke distance means you will have to exert a much larger amount of force in order to get the same amount of power out of the spring compared to the VSR. Obviously, this is a clear pro if you are running HPA or CO2 as bolt resistance will not be an issue at all.
2. Magazines are cool and big. They are also easier to detach than the VSR. However, VSR magazines are a lot more practical due to their ridiculously tiny size.
3. Take-down of the rifle is very easy, even moreso than the VSR. However, reassembling it, particularly reinserting the bolt is an another story due to a design flaw regarding to the trigger sears.

The Cons:

1. Cylinder volume will always be a problem when used to compare with a VSR. This means you will not shoot as much air from the gun, limiting the weight of BBs you can fire. You can augment this with a shorter barrel but that means either money or sawing off the barrel manually. (less of a problem in short barreled variants or in AS-02)
2. Body pin is designed by monkeys. The AS01 pin is nothing short of being terrible, from being easy to pop out of the gun or breaks down very very easily, leaving you with no usable pins. It also causes a plethora of issues like dead man's trigger and increasing bolt resistance. (solved in AS-02 as it's now a screw-on type rather than the slot-in type, it's much more tougher and doesn't fall off)
3. Due to how BBs are inserted into the gun, you will always leave a few BBs unusable at the bottom of the magazine. This is not a problem with the VSR.
4. Cylinder is weak and will wear out easily after heavy use.
5. Default is 45 degree sear which makes bolt push a chore (not a problem for AS-02 as it's 90 degrees by default)
6. Ares QC is pretty terrible most of the time. A bit better than JG for sure, but obviously vastly inferior to Tokyo Marui (little does anyway, though)

So what do the above comparisons, as well as actual practice suggest about the AS-01?
- The gun is a poor choice if you live in the States or in Taiwan, where sniper rifles enjoy the privilege to shoot really REALLY hot, owning to their bolt pull limitation and volume issues. While you can subvert that with the NEMO cylinder kit, the kit is very very expensive, and it still cannot solve the resistance issue as it's a physical limitation that warrants a total design overhaul.
- On the other hand, the gun is an actually pretty awesome choice if you only need to shoot sub-2Js, such as Hong Kong (likely where it was designed for) or most European states. Bolt racking is more tolerable, cylinder volume isn't so much of a problem, with firepower limitations balance out the advantage of VSRs somewhat.
- While a niche position in general, the short barrel makes the AS-02 or short AS-01s a very viable choice in more close-quartered battle conditions.
- Overall, this gun is a viable pick when guns are not allowed to fire very hot, and is best suited for a "low investment" style of play - not requiring a lot of investments to yield a satisfactory result.
Thank you for giving me all these clarifications. I will definetly consider them when getting my new sniper.

Yesterday I got in contact with someone that played sniper on my local airsoft field and he is willing to let me take a look at his collection and try out some of his sniper rifles. He has a good bunch of the models I'm currently interested so I will se what best fits me in terms of style and overall performance, of course, being on a pretty tight budget.

Either way, I'll be reading up about the AAC T10 you mentioned and maybe put it on top of my priority list if is a good deal.
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Needing help with the as01. I just broke it down for routine cleaning, then when I put it back together and locked in the pin, it won't let me cock it. If I pull the pin out some it will rack no problem. Can someone please help?
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Old 10-17-2020, 06:38 AM   #14
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That will be your loaded chamber indicator thing. Snap it off and remove the spring or buy an AA pin.
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