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Old 02-11-2020, 03:43 AM   #1
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WE Ace VD (SVD) GBB

Hello guys,

I'm quite new here.
I've recently bought an WE Ace VD (SVD) GBB. Mainly because I like the rifle and I wanted a GBB version. So this was the "best" choice for me.

I've already read some topics about this gun and what it needs. I'm going to HPA it (got everything I need, just need to get my tank filled) and also got some hop up upgrades ready to be fitted (ML Crazy jet barrel, Autobot bucking and concave nub).

My issue (so far) is that when I shoot the last BB, the bolt doesn't lock back. I believe this is due to the magazine not sitting as it should and I should be moved back a little bit, correct?
I've tried this with some tape, but it still won't work. Also tried both settings with the lever on the mag, same issue.

I've also contacted Gunfire where I bought it from about this.

All help is welcome, thanks!
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Old 02-11-2020, 06:23 AM   #2
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think one of the gbb svd on the market has a switch of some sort on the mag that allows you to fire even after all rounds are dispensed
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Old 02-12-2020, 02:28 AM   #3
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think one of the gbb svd on the market has a switch of some sort on the mag that allows you to fire even after all rounds are dispensed
Correct, there's a switch on the top, tried both settings but no difference. I think this is also due to the not so good mag alignment. Also sent an email to Swit Airsoft, they seem to be busy with these type of gbb guns.
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Old 02-12-2020, 04:51 AM   #4
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The magazine has two switches.

The one at the back works with the follower and pushes up automatically when it runs out of ammo. Grab an empty mag and check that function by pushing down the lever and releasing it.

The lever on top locks the other one down. When the top lever is to the back, the back lever is locked down, therefore dry fire mode is active. When the top lever is forward, the one at the back can move up on empty locking the bolt.

If the magazine is working properly, check the lever inside the magwell that's just besides the firing pin. Look down the magwell and push it up, it should want to return down. And try locking the bolt while pushing that lever up.

If all of that works, then it's simply the lever on the mag failing to actuate the one at the magwell, which can be caused by misalignment. Try shooting the gun while pulling the mag towards you, if it locks open then try to shim the magwell so the mags sit firmly against the firing pin assembly. If not, it may require building up the bottom face of the magwell lever.

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Careful with those upgrades... the Wonder bucking works somewhat better than the Autobot for this gun. And the Crazy Jet barrel will require you to bore out the outer barrel, as the inner bore of the outer barrel is way too tight and won't fit the crazy jet sleeve otherwise.

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Old 02-12-2020, 04:55 AM   #5
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The magazine has two switches.

The one at the back works with the follower and pushes up automatically when it runs out of ammo. Grab an empty mag and check that function by pushing down the lever and releasing it.

The lever on top locks the other one down. When the top lever is to the back, the back lever is locked down, therefore dry fire mode is active. When the top lever is forward, the one at the back can move up on empty locking the bolt.

If the magazine is working properly, check the lever inside the magwell that's just besides the firing pin. Look down the magwell and push it up, it should want to return down. And try locking the bolt while pushing that lever up.

If all of that works, then it's simply the lever on the mag failing to actuate the one at the magwell, which can be caused by misalignment. Try shooting the gun while pulling the mag towards you, if it locks open then try to shim the magwell so the mags sit firmly against the firing pin assembly. If not, it may require building up the bottom face of the magwell lever.
Thank you Dimitri, I've seen your previous posts on topics of this rifle.
I will check the lever at the back. I already saw and played with it, this can just freely move up and down, there's no tension on it. So with an emtpy mag it just is down. I guess that's the issue right there?

Thanks for the heads up on the upgrades, I haven't opened them yet so maybe can trade them.

Any other tips for this gun?

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Old 02-12-2020, 06:56 AM   #6
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I will check the lever at the back. I already saw and played with it, this can just freely move up and down, there's no tension on it. So with an emtpy mag it just is down. I guess that's the issue right there?
Sounds like it. If the lever at the top is in the forward position and the magazine is empty, then the lever at the back should spring up with strong tension (the tension of the magazine feed spring)

If it doesn't, then something is either broken or out of place. Removing the outer magazine shell (take the base plate out, the the little screw) should reveal the issue instantly, the mechanism is quite simple and intuitive.
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As for other tips, there's not much to say really. This gun is a beast after installing a Maple Leaf Wonder and a Maple Leaf 6.02 barrel, and shimming the magwell to push the magazine flush against the firing pin assembly.

I'm running mine on Map Pro, no need to HPA imo. Avoid any unnecessary "upgrades". Hephaestus steel trigger parts has a shorter firing pin that worsens the magazine placement issue, Falcon's short stroke kit does absolutely nothing but tame the recoil, Ra-tech's NPAS introduces awful inconsistency... really, the gun is great as is, don't start throwing things in "just because".

Just keep the seal between the nozzle and bolt lubed with a tiny drop of lightweight silicone oil every month and it will run strong forever.
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Old 02-12-2020, 07:46 AM   #7
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Sounds like it. If the lever at the top is in the forward position and the magazine is empty, then the lever at the back should spring up with strong tension (the tension of the magazine feed spring)

If it doesn't, then something is either broken or out of place. Removing the outer magazine shell (take the base plate out, the the little screw) should reveal the issue instantly, the mechanism is quite simple and intuitive.
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As for other tips, there's not much to say really. This gun is a beast after installing a Maple Leaf Wonder and a Maple Leaf 6.02 barrel, and shimming the magwell to push the magazine flush against the firing pin assembly.

I'm running mine on Map Pro, no need to HPA imo. Avoid any unnecessary "upgrades". Hephaestus steel trigger parts has a shorter firing pin that worsens the magazine placement issue, Falcon's short stroke kit does absolutely nothing but tame the recoil, Ra-tech's NPAS introduces awful inconsistency... really, the gun is great as is, don't start throwing things in "just because".

Just keep the seal between the nozzle and bolt lubed with a tiny drop of lightweight silicone oil every month and it will run strong forever.
Thank you, you're a great help!

I will check the mag, if nothing helps I'll try to claim a new one from where I've bought it.

I was indeed not going to spend money on unnecessary upgrades other than hop up parts. The main reason that I'm going to HPA is for the consistency. With a DMR we are limited to 450FPS measured with 0.20's, so in my opinion that's the best way to keep it stable. Correct me when wrong!

Again, thanks for your input, very helpful :)
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Old 02-12-2020, 09:58 AM   #8
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The main reason that I'm going to HPA is for the consistency. With a DMR we are limited to 450FPS measured with 0.20's, so in my opinion that's the best way to keep it stable. Correct me when wrong!
There's no denying HPA is more consistent, but using a regular dry gas (Map Pro) with the great seal that the Wonder bucking + the magwell mod provides (and avoiding the NPAS) the gun is stable enough for practical use. Simply modify the floating valve if you need to tune down the FPS.
That's how I've been running mine for years.

HPA is a hassle, specially for reloading, which is something you'll be doing a lot considering that the mags only carry 20 rounds. I'd much rather spend the money on extra mags than an HPA rig. But that's a matter of preferences.
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There's no denying HPA is more consistent, but using a regular dry gas (Map Pro) with the great seal that the Wonder bucking + the magwell mod provides (and avoiding the NPAS) the gun is stable enough for practical use. Simply modify the floating valve if you need to tune down the FPS.
That's how I've been running mine for years.

HPA is a hassle, specially for reloading, which is something you'll be doing a lot considering that the mags only carry 20 rounds. I'd much rather spend the money on extra mags than an HPA rig. But that's a matter of preferences.
Will also try that, as I already have the HPA stuff I'll give that a go first. I found the defect with the mag wich I can fix so that's good.
If i don't like the HPA I can always go back to normal gas :)

How did you shim the magwell?
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Old 02-13-2020, 11:51 AM   #10
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Old 02-13-2020, 12:25 PM   #11
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Awesome! Was looking for a group but couldn't find anything. Thanks!
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