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Old 04-18-2020, 07:19 AM   #16
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I've been tinkering the past few days and had more success.

Sadly the electrical tape holding the solder fell apart and I had to remove everything from the cylinder and give it all a clean up. I've installed the Maple Leaf 70 degree bucking and nub, and the rifle was shooting just way too hot again. I decided to cut the spring and I've got it to a consistent 485 fps with 0.20's, creeping up to 335 fps with 0.43's. Bucking hops the 0.43's very well.

I've now introduced some accuracy issues though. Some BBs were deflecting far right but this was just due to the inner barrel being shorter than the outer barrel, as BBs were hitting the barrel cap. This was fixed with some self-adhesive camo tape used as a couple more barrel spacers, as I only had two previously.

The only problem now is that some BBs are slightly over-hopping and some fly a little low (although not dramatically). Also, one in ten shots might veer off to the right by 5cm over 60ft.

I gave my barrel a real good clean so I doubt its that, no lubricants used in the barrel.

My only idea is that perhaps the barrel is pushed a little too hard into the hop up unit, which could have slightly deformed the bucking, affecting the BB trajectory. I'll take a look at the hop up to see if there's an issue there, but the issue persists when the hop is dialled off 100%, so I don't think its a contact patch issue.

If anybody has any other ideas, let me know.
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Old 04-18-2020, 12:42 PM   #17
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Took the hop up apart and it turns out that the madbull barrel is cut poorly so the c-type buckle forces the bucking into the chamber too much. I've decided to remove the buckle and use plenty of teflon tape to keep everything snug. Its not perfect but it saves on buying a new barrel now.

After readjusting the hop, the rifle is now shooting too low... so I've swapped in an M150 and the rifle shoots 15fps too hot with 0.43s (355 fps). I tried weighing down the piston and the joule creep was absurd - it started shooting 420 fps with 0.43's. Not what we want.

Groupings have improves quite a bit horizontally - no wild fliers! But the amount of vertical hop is still a little inconsistent, but did improve after some time shooting. Do these hop up buckings need to be broken in?

My grouping size is 8cm high by 6cm wide at 60 feet.

One question for anybody reading: will my M150 decrease in FPS whilst its left in the cylinder? And should I be shooting the rifle regularly to break in the spring (getting it down to a legal fps) and bucking?

Cheers again to all.
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Old 04-19-2020, 06:45 AM   #18
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Right - the process is starting to frustrate me a bit.

Exactly the same setup as yesterday, and BBs weren't hopping for the first 5-10 shots. Hop is still inconsistent after "warming up", and FPS has crept up to 365 with 0.43's.

Zeroing the rifle is futile as the zero seems to change from magazine to magazine.

I've decided to completely leave the rifle and not to touch it for a while, maybe 2-3 weeks to see if everything settles down.

Grouping size at 70ft is 11cm wide by 13.5cm tall, but not particularly consistent. According to my maths, 11.5cm wide at 70ft is a torso hit at 250ft, so maybe I'm just being impatient.

I need to let it break in, get the FPS legal, and skirmish it to see what real performance is like.
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Old 05-07-2020, 10:54 PM   #19
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Hi there, sorry for jumping on an older thread. First time posting.



So my son saved up money for a WELL MB08BA L96 and we ordered it mid April. As you can guess, the whole COVID stuff has shipping in a bind. We just got the sniper today and we open the box to find that the trigger has been sheered off due to rough handling. Obviously the kiddo was a bit saddened by this (me too cuz I so wanted to try this puppy out).


Long story short, is that the model you used and what trigger box did you purchase and how well did it work? I've been looking around and I notice a few places saying that you should upgrade the internals. So I figured instead of waiting weeks to ship this sniper back and get a replacement I should just upgrade the trigger box.


Apologies for the long winded question.
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Old 05-08-2020, 02:58 PM   #20
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Right - the process is starting to frustrate me a bit.

Exactly the same setup as yesterday, and BBs weren't hopping for the first 5-10 shots. Hop is still inconsistent after "warming up", and FPS has crept up to 365 with 0.43's.

Zeroing the rifle is futile as the zero seems to change from magazine to magazine.

I've decided to completely leave the rifle and not to touch it for a while, maybe 2-3 weeks to see if everything settles down.

Grouping size at 70ft is 11cm wide by 13.5cm tall, but not particularly consistent. According to my maths, 11.5cm wide at 70ft is a torso hit at 250ft, so maybe I'm just being impatient.

I need to let it break in, get the FPS legal, and skirmish it to see what real performance is like.
Don't forget, that what may seem like a small grouping at 70 feet can open up quite a bit at 250 feet. 70 feet is by no means "long range," and one of the side effects of hopup is that it's effects are exponential over range
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Old 05-27-2020, 02:19 AM   #21
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Hi there, sorry for jumping on an older thread. First time posting.



So my son saved up money for a WELL MB08BA L96 and we ordered it mid April. As you can guess, the whole COVID stuff has shipping in a bind. We just got the sniper today and we open the box to find that the trigger has been sheered off due to rough handling. Obviously the kiddo was a bit saddened by this (me too cuz I so wanted to try this puppy out).


Long story short, is that the model you used and what trigger box did you purchase and how well did it work? I've been looking around and I notice a few places saying that you should upgrade the internals. So I figured instead of waiting weeks to ship this sniper back and get a replacement I should just upgrade the trigger box.


Apologies for the long winded question.
First off, contact the store and ask either for a refund or replacement part. That should not stand.

Secondly, there are plenty of parts. If you are in Europe, checkout the airsoftpro trigger, they are decent.

If you want a really high performing rifle, you will essentially upgrade everything. Although action army parts are essentially the best you can get, especially the hop up unit (action army hop up is a must). Since it is based on the APS2 system, you wont have a hard time finding the parts to upgrade it.

The rule of thumb of upgrading path is like this: hop up chamber, hop up rubber and barrel ->trigger, cylinder, spring, piston and spring guide. Depending on the power you want, you can stay with the stock cylinder, since they are quite sturdy. Mine handled 520FPS with a stock cylinder and trigger.
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Old 06-08-2020, 11:01 AM   #22
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I haven't been on for a while, so hopefully I can help Ayup and anybody else

I've got the MB08 into excellent shape. I'm still using the stock metal trigger unit, which should be available online as an upgrade for those with MB01s that have plastic trigger units afaik. If not, the Airsoft Pro CNC unit is supposed to be great.

I'm running the Action Army Teflon Cylinder with an Airsoft Pro spring guide, M130 spring, and piston. I get a perfect air seal in the cylinder. Notably, too, I only need an M130 with the setup because I hit around 2.1J with 0.40g BBs slightly overhopped with the barrel length at 455mm. My field limit is 2.32J (or 500fps with 0.20's) so an M140 takes me over that with 0.40's.

I have s-hopped a Madbull Black Python 455mm Barrel with a Prometheus Purple bucking, Maple Leaf Omega Nub, and the Action Army Hop Unit. I trimmed up to 1mm off the end of the bucking (not the lips! obviously) so that I could teflon tape it over the barrel for a perfect airseal. I also shimmed the hopup arm with layers of teflon tape. Shimming the hop up arm was the most underated mod I've done - I couldn't believe the improvement in shot-to-shot consistency.

My groupings at 70ft are now outrageously satisfying. I'm hitting a 2 pence coin 4/5 shots.

I still need to test the rifle at 150+ ft, but I don't have the chance yet.
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Old 07-31-2020, 05:53 AM   #23
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For anybody interested, I skirmished the rifle for the first time a couple days ago. It was fantastic! Performance was great and I had some great moments.

My current setup:
Stock trigger unit (metal)
Airsoft pro spring guide, piston, M130 spring
Action Army Cylinder
Action Army Hop Up Chamber, hop arm shimmed and dremelled flat
AirLab Air Nub
Madbull 6.03 steel tightbore 407mm (or is it 409mm?...) s-hopped
Madbull Red Bucking, flat hopped (fixed my double feeding and seals well!)
4x barrel spacers

Performance is a consistent 2x2 inch grouping at ~60 feet, and was consistent beyond that during the skirmish. Not a single wild flyer all day! Anything outside of that grouping was shooter error.

Gun was chrono'd on site at 310 fps on a 0.40g Geoff's Bio BB (my site is suddenly bios only). I never felt like I needed any more power than that, but I could clearly put my M140 in there if I wanted to, but considering I'm new to sniping I'm happy running a lower power in case I make a mistake and hurt somebody.

The only downside was that its a bloody heavy gun and I was sweating buckets as a result. The weight and length of the gun did make me more thoughtful about positioning and remaining hidden, which perhaps led to my success in many games. I maintained a positive kill-death ratio all day whilst still being involved with the team. My success came from using shadow and foliage to flank defending teams and enabling the team to push up. Knowing the site well really helps with that. Success was down to decision making, patience, and situational awareness. That said, a couple games saw me get hit very early, but that was down to poor decisions and poor awareness.

I'd say there's nothing more satisfying than spending hours building and refining a sniper rifle, only to find it performs great on the day and getting those hits. Makes it all seem worth it. I bought a scope cam the following morning just to relive those great moments in future.
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