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Dimitri MdP 06-22-2019 10:33 AM

A skirmishabe .50? Silverback HTI
 
Hey guys, just saw this at Red Wolf Airsoft... seems the guys behind the SRS are releasing its bigger brother, the HTI .50BMG.

Being a bullpup is just as long as any regular BASR, but obviously quite heavier at 6.5Kg (still lighter than any other airsoft .50).

Springs are really quick change, with massive internals that feels extremely sturdy.

Mags are 38 rounders, which feels like a cheap move to sell extras. Really feel they could've go for a much higher capacity. Considering the dimensions it could easily exceed most AEG midcaps and provide a "just carry one mag for the entire game" experience.

Anyway, the important part: it has a massive 71cm3 cylinder, that's double the amount of air of a VSR-10. Should be enough for the 730mm inner barrel, and makes it quite interesting to see how it behaves on Joule creeping and such.

I feel this might be the very first skirmish worthy .50 in airsoft. What do you guys think?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uEUVKr2g5xw

whalesmash 06-22-2019 10:41 AM

I want one, but I do not $800 want one. The biggest appeal to me is how light that bolt pull seems to be. That being said though, a 50 bmg as a bullpup means that massive magazine is smack in the way of your hand...

AccurateDMD 06-22-2019 11:30 AM

That weight and size penalty for no increase in effectiveness is the main drawback to me. And imagine trying to find a place to store extra mags. The SRS is bad enough as it is.

Dimitri MdP 06-22-2019 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by whalesmash (Post 403291)
I want one, but I do not $800 want one

Woh I didn't check the price... way too expensive.. guess that will limit their market a lot

Quote:

Originally Posted by whalesmash (Post 403291)
The biggest appeal to me is how light that bolt pull seems to be

That's with a lower 300FPS setup... but I would expect it to stay soft even on the harder springs, as the springs are much longer than usual.

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Originally Posted by AccurateDMD (Post 403295)
That weight and size penalty for no increase in effectiveness is the main drawback to me

That's what I was aiming for on the big cylinder... maybe it could provide an increase in range with such a massive cylinder, and maybe accuracy too due to the really long inner barrel (that has enough volume behind for it not to be a drawback)

AccurateDMD 06-22-2019 12:30 PM

I doubt it. Barrel length has never really had much to do with accuracy in airsoft once you get around 300mm+. And there's already ways to massively joule creep current rifles with weighted pistons and barrel length changes.

With that length barrel and huge piston you're gonna need a shorter barrel to really creep much compared to a .2g chrono. Like whalesmash said, even a 500fps spring is going to have a stupid light pull if it's designed to be used with a barrel that long.

Around 100 yards is gonna be the 'max range' for airsoft for the forseeable future unless someone comes out with a new type of safe projectile or hop up system or both. Only so much you can do with a light plastic bb.

Dimitri MdP 06-22-2019 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by AccurateDMD (Post 403299)
I doubt it. Barrel length has never really had much to do with accuracy in airsoft once you get around 300mm+. And there's already ways to massively joule creep current rifles with weighted pistons and barrel length changes.

Well, we never had a 70+cm3 cylinder to test.

AccurateDMD 06-22-2019 01:56 PM

Hahaha very true.

That said, I would bet some HPA set ups are overvolumed to the max.

Jeppe 06-22-2019 05:17 PM

800 euro is pretty cheap. It's less than other .50 rifles, and this one is better quality and "fully upgraded" out of box, aka the only skirmishable .50 rifle. If i weren't trying to slim down my inventory, i would get it in a heartbeat (but my money went to EXPS3 instead...).



It also brings something new to the table by being a springer with massive piston/cylinder/spring setup.


It may have more volume, but it also has twice (ish) the piston surface. This means it has more "speed" in the compression, ie. when the piston moves at the same speed as normal VSR, it is actually doubling the pressure. This is how it can work OK with soft spring and 100gr piston (stock weight iirc).


I would not get this rifle for normal gameplay, but for 4-5J+ it's cool.

MagicMarker 06-24-2019 06:00 PM

I'm mainly just giddy waiting to see if the pressure curve is harmless, or even better in some performance sense- since it's close to the pressure curve of a gas system than something like a VSR (read: it's closer to a VSR, but gas systems are closer to the HTI than the VSR).
My biggest little fear has always been that there's some innate benefit to a more gradual pressure curve (spring/piston) than an immediate one (gas).
I say biggest little fear because it doesn't seem to be a real concern- but I'm holding my breath until I get good scientific range data on the formal accuracy of my HPA build :P

Jeppe 06-24-2019 07:22 PM

I don't think the systems are comparable. In the spring system, the "gas" is more like a transfer system of power between piston/spring and BB. Like a spring on either side of the piston, but the "spring" between the piston and BB has ratio change and other factors.


But yes it could be said that the HTI builds pressure more immediately due to the piston surface, but on the other hand the piston weights 100gr+ and the spring is large and soft.


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