6.01 or 6.03

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ronin055

Discussion Starter · Jan 17, 2011

I had intended to get a 6.03 x 650mm barrel for my Well G96D.

Infact I ordered it.

Then the Airsoft shop (local) called me and said they had a 6.01 x 650mm instock by the same maker, instock if I wanted it.

What do you guys think?

6.01 or 6.03 ?

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dragon64

· #2 · Jan 19, 2011

Is there a price difference?

I'm okay using a 6.03 barrel for my rifles, but if you feel the 6.01 will give you an edge up on performance, and the price is acceptable, then you may very well want to accept what is being offered.

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silentfury214

· #3 · Jan 19, 2011

The 6.01 is not always better, there are a few people who can explain this better than me, but it has to do with the tolerances inside the barrel being too tight. If I were you, unless I needed the barrel right away I would go ahead and wait for the 6.03.

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tuxedopenguin

· #4 · Jan 19, 2011

barrel length will also be an issue, if your using a spring gun, because 650mm is a long barrel especially for a spring gun. From what I've heard the 6.01/6.03 debate, depends on which company your buying from. company A is supposed to have better 6.01 barrels than 6.03; while company B has better 6.03 barrels than 6.01 barrels. Though I don't have the money to test this theory myself. Your best bet though is to research your gun.

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whisper

· #5 · Jan 19, 2011

A 6.03 barrel will give the BB more air cushion for the BB unlike the 6.01. I, however, use a PDI 6.01 in my Vsr and am able to hit stationary targets up to 280ft accurate and precise.

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pvt13

· #6 · Jan 19, 2011

When an bb travels through a 6.01 barrel, it has to push the air in the barrel forward, thus giving it less fps, also it sucks in air behind the bb creating a sort of turbulence which causes it to be less accurate.

If a bb travels through, let's say, a 6.03 barrel, the air that pushes the bb forward also pushes the air in front of the bb forward, giving the bb less resistance from the air it has to push forward because there is very little left. It won't have to suck in air behind the bb aswell because there is a space between the bb and the barrel (this space should be 0.08).

You should check what size your bb's are, just because it says 6 mm doesn't mean it's 6 mm.
Most companies make bb's that are 5.95-5.97mm. So a 5.95 bb would need a 6.03 barrel to get the best performance. A 5.97 bb would need a 6.05 barrel etc.

I read this somewhere but can't remember where, if there is someone who knows what I'm talking about but can explain it better, please post it to make life easier

Anyway, hope this helps.

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mojo

· #7 · Jan 20, 2011

What PVT13 is speaking of is called "Barrel Suck" which has already been proven to be a myth. It is most commonly associated with an AEG. (I will provide Documentation if you wish but it has been pretty widely known to be false) So don't even worry about turbulence and pressure in the barrel. The BB moves so quickly out of the barrel then the real forces take hold. The real thing that truly affects Accuracy is Hop-Up.

The reason you may want to use a TBB is to raise your FPS... but that's about it.

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ronin055

Discussion Starter · #8 · Jan 20, 2011

Ya, barrel suck doesnt exist. Besides the effect is only worrying to the AEG crowd anyway. And they think that its volume of the barrel, and speed of the piston working backwards to create the suck. Its not possible with a Bolt Action gun.

And besides, This gun that Im working on is my gas gun.

Lastly, I ended up getting the 6.01 madbul ultimate TBB.

Its not a Black Python, but its pretty cool. 45$ out the door, so not a bad price.

The hop up I ended up with untill I can find another firefly, is a Kind Arms purple 80 hard bucking. Additionally I put a H spacer in it, so. . . time will tell. I work days, and that doesnt leave me alot of time to try to figure out the way of the Hop up.

So, onward and forward.

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pvt13

· #9 · Jan 20, 2011

Good to know it's not true. The guy who wrote it was quite detailed about how it worked and wrote all these formulas for effective range, fps and all kinds of other stuff. So it was pretty easy to be convinced that it works like that, specially when your rather new to airsoft.

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gentlemann

· #10 · Jan 20, 2011

Actually, from my understanding, the phenomenon pvt13 is talking about is something completely different from barrel suck. Barrel suck was thought to be an issue arising from the piston of an AEG sucking air back in to the cylinder before the bb has time to reach the end of the barrel; what most people had failed to take into account is that with any barrel length available on the market, the bb simply leaves the barrel before barrel suck could become a factor. HOWEVER, in-barrel turbulence is a very real factor that is detrimental to both muzzle velocity and accuracy that arises from imperfections in the surface of the inner barrel.

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pvt13

· #11 · Jan 20, 2011

What I read has nothing to do with any internal part beside the innerbarrel and the air flowing around the bb inside the barrel.

I tried looking it up to quote it but I can't seem to find it anywhere.

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vindicareassassin

· #12 · Jan 20, 2011

Basically a combination of what Mojo and pvt13 have posted is true, the turbulence thing very much exists, barrel suck also exists but is purely a small vacuum pressure exerted on the bb when the piston is at rest.

The turbulence created infront of the bb also exists, which is why ported barrels were invented to get around this problem, but as already discussed above can be alleviated by using a larger bore.

A shorter barrel is also more beneficial as it a) is not going to be subject to operator movement for as long as if contained in a longer one, and b) it is more beneficial in regards barrel volume vs cylinder volume vs bb overall weight.... a larger volume of air will shift a heavier bb easier down a shorter barrel

Hope this helps

VA

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pvt13

· #13 · Jan 21, 2011

So it is true! I thought it made sense.

Anyway there you have it, hope it helps.

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ronin055

Discussion Starter · #14 · Jan 22, 2011

#1 I would need to see Mythbusters style proof before I believe any of that effects my guns in a significant way.

#2 If it does effect me, it effects EVERYONE else too, thus were all on the same footing and again, it doesnt effect me. IE there is no advantage or dissadvantage for the general masses.

Anyway, I got my barrel, I like it so far. Im going out tomorrow to attempt to get the Hopup, scope and everything working together correctly.

So this thread is done really and the MODs can close it. I dont want it to become a foundation for the argument of Theory. Internet theory at that.

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dutton

· #15 · Jan 22, 2011

Locked at the request of the poster. If someone wants to create a separate thread about the theory and fact based evidence of this thread, feel free to do so.

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