[madhatta]

Hi all, I recently bought a AGM MP001 (it was cheap and was said to be a good beginner rifle). These are my plans to upgrade the rifle (in this order) was wondering if any of you more experienced players had any advice on better parts, advice in general on the upgrades, or see a conflict(i.e a part that won't hold up). I want to be able to upgrade and not worry about replacing things or stuff breaking.

Quick note to those who don't own this rifle. I have done a lot of research and this rifle takes VSR-10 Trigger upgrades(sears, stopper, etc) but takes APS-2 Cylinder upgrades(cylinder, head, etc). It can't use V or Zero Trigger Systems sadly .

-Laylax PSS10 Barrel Spacers
I will be buying a longer tightbore and have read that extra spacers help lower vibration and increase consistency.

-MadBull Ver. 2 Precision Barrel 6.03 TB 499mm
I'll be ordering the AK version and drilling/sanding it to match to stock barrels slots for the hop-up unit. Using a silencer to hide the extra length. I went with the long barrel cause it should increase accuracy. Also read up a lot about air cushion and 6.03-6.04 is better for consistency and accuracy so that is why its not a 6.01.

-Firefly Hard Bucking
" ... "

-Laylax PSS2 Teflon Cylinder
Durability and easier bolt pull with the 170 spring.

-Laylax PSS2 Air Seal Damper Cylinder Head
Improved air seal for more consistency, fps, and accuracy. Will probably Teflon tape as well.

-Laylax PSS10 Trigger Sear
To support the most powerful spring upgrade.

-Laylax PSS10 Guide Stopper
" ... "

-Laylax PSS10 Piston Sear
" ... "

-Laylax PSS2 Piston Head Cup
To go with the piston.

-Laylax PSS2 Aluminum Piston (its purple don't know if that's important?)
Improve air seal, and better durability with stronger spring.

-Laylax PSS2 Spring Guide
" ... "

-Laylax PSS2 170 Spring
More power (fps), I plan to use .3 g and want to be able to hit consistently at ~75yds+

All suggestions, comments, and corrections are welcome. I made a lot of assumptions while writing this if i made a mistake please correct me. Also if a mod things this is in the wrong section please move the post wasn't sure where to put it considering this gun is technically a VSR-10 clone but uses APS-2 parts.

Thank You - Madhatta

*edited to update list*

 

[dutton]

PSS2 and PSS10 parts are not interchangeable. PSS2 parts are made specifically for APS/M24, and in some cases an L96 too. Whereas PSS10 parts are strictly for VSR10. Also, pass of the H-hop, they are complete crap.

 

[madhatta]

PSS10 is the VSR-10, PSS2 is APS-2. Normally you would be 100% correct. However, the AGM MP001 is really goofy.

Quick note to those who don't own this rifle. I have done a lot of research and this rifle takes VSR-10 Trigger upgrades(sears, stopper, etc) but takes APS-2 Cylinder upgrades(cylinder, head, etc).

I have at least two sources that say this, one of which it a review by CrimsonFalcon. I would link them but the forum i found them on in having problems .

 

[woogie]

He claims to have done "research" does that mean fitting and testing it or what? They my work but you will probably have to do a lot of grinding to make it fit. Would be easier to just get the parts that are made for the rifle.

 

[vindicareassassin]

Do yourself a favour and save the cash and stick with a 509mm barrel at max, the rest is just un-needed, I've covered this before in several threads now, but what you percieve and have probably been told is hype to get you to part with more money The accepted length that generates the best accuracy from a VSR is between 430 and 480mm any longer and it throws your shot off.

In my view, you have been informed correctly, and this is just a beginners rifle, you would be better off using the weapon in standard form until you feel you need to upgrade, then buy a VSR/BAR10 and upgrade that, as all you'll end up with is 2 loads of spare parts that fit 2 completely different guns. Don't be in such a hurry to get uber power out of your rifle, that is only a small part of what it takes to be an airsoft sniper, work on your fieldcraft, patience, etc. aswell, these are the things that realy matter, and help keep you alive and in the game

 

[madhatta]

He claims to have done "research" does that mean fitting and testing it or what? They my work but you will probably have to do a lot of grinding to make it fit. Would be easier to just get the parts that are made for the rifle.

I have not personally tested it, but a lot of other people with the same rifle have said it is a match (without modification). If i do end up upgrading this rifle then I will post my personal results.

@vindi : Good to know, thank you. The only reason I went so high was because on AirsoftGI all the Madbull barrels are $35 USD regardless of length, so I just picked the longest. Also what would be better for accuracy a 499mm or a 455mm? Both are Madbull V2 6.03. I would like to stick with this rifle. I kind of like the "hybrid" part of the gun, plus it'll let me mod stuff, and get to know the rifle better, so I plan on keeping it ^^.

Also for those who wanted to know how to I got the information here.
http://www.airsoftretreat.com/forums/index.php?topic=45180.0

*edited to add link*

 

[vindicareassassin]

I'd go with the 499 to start with, I had a a 509 in my VSR to start and the shots used to wander a bit, so I cut it to 480 and it improved it a bit, but now I have cut it to 450mm and its spot on Its all going to be a bit trial and error with your gun as like you said its a hybrid and not many people choose them to turn into serious sniper weapons, but you can have the honer of trying to achieve just that I suppose you do have the advantage you can use high end upgrades as opposed to having to cobble things together to make it work

 

[madhatta]

Thanks, also I been reading the most people use FireFly or Nineball buckings. I choose firefly cause that's what I have used in my AEG and have had good results however, I recently read that FireFly gives more range but Nineball gives better consistency, was wondering if anyone could confirm or deny this. One another note I have not seen many posts or talk about nubs (spacers, whatever you want to call them) I am pretty sure the MP001 comes will a crappy U one. Was wondering if there is a "better" shape (I've heard of U, V, H thus far) and what company has the best rep. for snipers(have seen some talk about "Big Out"?)

 

[dutton]

Just stick with a standard nub, anything else is gonna cause problems, wear out quick, or shoot like crap. Trust me on that. Also, if you're getting the PSS2 Purple 3-element piston, you need a piston cup (head) for it.

If I were you, I'd stick to a gun that uses one or the other for upgrade parts.

 

[madhatta]

the piston is Laylax PSS2 Aluminum Piston Type 96 for APSII
http://www.poweredgeusa.com/product.asp?ID=2378

Not sure if needs a piston cup, if it does can you please explain more about what exactly a piston cup/head is? Thanks

 

[dutton]

Yes it does need a piston cup. It's just a piston head for a bolt action piston, since that particular one doesn't have an integrated/vacuum head on it. You're better off getting that and a cup than one with a vacuum head on it, though.

 

[madhatta]

Ok, so I found this..
http://www.poweredgeusa.com/product.asp?ID=2382

I am assuming this is what you were talking about.

Thanks for all the advice, really learning a lot

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[dutton]

Yup, go with that and you'll be fine.

 

[vindicareassassin]

If you can change your nub style you are better of with something hard/solid, on my CA M24 I used a piece of plastic sprue (part of the frame that model kits come on ), and on my SPR I've done a similar conversion ( take a look in Mission specific SPR, in the Long-range AEG section for this), and on my VSR I'm limited to the arm they gave me You could try the big out H hop and any of the other variants out there, as anything may well yield good results, like I said, as its not a popular rifle its going to have to be a huge case of 'suck it and see', but we will endeavor to help with the bits we do know about

Forgot to mention, you have been informed correctly about the hop rubbers, the other thing to mention is under normal circumstances the firefly doesn't require as much hop to achieve the same flight path, I personally use the Nineball as I prefer Constancy

 

[madhatta]

Sounds good, I think I might go and try and find a Nineball, however thus far AirsoftGI and PowerEdge don't sell them , AirsoftAtlanta does but doesn't say if its hard or soft.

 

[vindicareassassin]

I'm fairly sure they only do the one type, which is hard and purple in colour (the actress said to the bishop ) My supplier (Firesupport in the UK) only shows the one type on there web site, and they are out of stock too

 

[madhatta]

Do you know of any other good buckings other than Firefly and Nineball, because I am ordering though AirsoftGI and PowerEdge, and I don't want to have to pay shipping to a third company

. Also, How much inconsistency are we talking about with the Firefly, because I view accuracy > range for the most part.

 

[vindicareassassin]

Only the standard TM one that I know of with any reputation, but this will probably burst at anything over 400fps