[batman]

I don't know if this is enough to make a DMR or not, but I have a 440 dollar budget. I like M4/m16/m4 varriant, and I wasn't sure what base/platform gun I should get, and how much one should pay on one. Also could you type out a list of internal upgrades to buy for the gun within my budget? Is it possible to get a gun in this price range to make a dmr and have the gun have solid externals,(won't break, no wobbles, etc,)? Thanks ahead of time guys I appreciate the help.

 

[batman]

I'm a bit new to high end AEG's s, and a bit new to airsoft, playing with entry level guns only so far for about year. So please excuse my ignorance.

 

[metallicafatcat]

All AR series will have some wobble, it's te nature of the design. Are you planning on doing the work yourself or sending it away? Could you tolerate plastic externals for the sake of price? We need more info. What are your field limits, What are your priorities etc etc. Btw, make an intro post or Fuzzy will come get you.

 

[awagg]

Seriously man? First make an intro. Second, give us some details. We need to know exactly what you need, not just a DMR there are tons of varations.

 

[batman]

I have an air-smith that will do the work for me, the price for his work is not included in my budget, the 440 dollars is all on the gun and gun parts. My local air-soft field has a 500 fps limit for semi/bolt snipers. I don't mind if it's plastic as long as it can take a beating. I guess for a DMR I would like a M16. I would like the gun shooting 250+ feet accurately, or am I setting the bar too high here? I have 50 extra dollars besides the 440 to spend on a good battery, I have plenty of chargers. Also I assume optics aren't required but if that is problem I could take off a scope from one of my real steel guns and sight it in for my guns range. Thanks ahead of time for the help.

 

[batman]

On another forum some people said that it would be best to get a cheap 150-200 jg aeg, and build from there but others then told me to get a 250-300 gun and build from there because that if I get a cheap aeg my gun's externals would be pretty bad whole gun wobbling and the gun would have external problems, etc. Just what I've read on other forums.

 

[batman]

What type of battery do you think i should get if the gun is going to be a m16? is my battery budget too low if so, I can scrounge up a little more money for a better battery.

 

[metallicafatcat]

In reality, you need to choose a gun, and build the system around that. Because I'm lazy, I'd recommend an ICS M16, but thats just me.

 

[batman]

http://www.airsoftgi.com/product_info.php?products_id=4303 this one, and if I knew which brand m16 to get I wouldn't have asked. since I'm sinking in hundreds of dollars I'm going to make sure every penny counts, by asking questions to people that know the answers. Also is this ics gun a good choice to go with as a platform gun?

 

[metallicafatcat]

That's the one I'd choose, mainly out of laziness, but if you feel like going the extra mile, a G&P or VFC will have much nicer externals, but internals will require a lot more work.

 

[razgriz22]

I'd suggest a kwa sr-12, a new hop up rubber (unless kwa's are good because I dont personally know about their rubbers), and a new bucking. I've heard H nub buckings are good. Then with the full stock on the sr-12 you have almost any choice of battery. I'd go with a 11.1 lipo. I have had good success with firefox brand lipo's but its really personal preference.

 

[newbie]

KWA's are nice but ICS' split gearbox is great to work on, and on a performance pushing project like a dmr easy maintinence would be nice

 

[inthetallgrass]

I know a fella who made an sr-25 or something (Can't remember but it was one of those variants) out of a broken ICS. He also has two uppers so he can slide in a 500 fps one for when he is playing in the uk and a 328fps one for when he is playing in Ireland. It is a beast of a gun.

 

[metallicafatcat]

Probably not an SR-25, probably a variant of the SR series though.

 

[batman]

Buying one of those high end guns, I would have with the sr12 a 80 dollar budget give or take with a coupon to spend on upgrades. Would I still have enough to make the gun be shooting accurately at 250+feet? OR with the ics about 60 more dollars on the budget, I want the best way to go to get the best possible DMR build I can get. someone told me that the performance of the kwa sr10 said was practically identical to the sr 12, and the sr10 was max accuracy at 150 feet. just food for thought.

on a side note

Some guys on another forum were talking about a flat hop up mod whatever that is, and said this video was related to that mod. Any thoughts on this and could you clarify what a flat hop up mod is?

 

[metallicafatcat]

Flat hop is a development of the G-Hop of Ishioka over in Japan. Freind designed and it's only to work with High heavyness ammo and can be a RPITA to install depending on your skill level. It can involve modding the barrel, hop up, and hop up arm as well as the barrel cut. It's also very picky and if your not doing the work yourself, you should avoid as it can be a major tuning problem.

 

[batman]

OK so I spend the money on the 300 or 360 dollar, 300=ics kwa=360, what do I do with the rest of the money to spend on internal upgrades to get them to be shooting 250+feet accurately?
In the end I just want a DMR with nice externals, and a gun that is shooting 250+feet accurately, do I have enough money to do this? A couple of you have told me that spend 300-360 dollars on the platform gun. SO if I spend the rest on internal upgrades will have my gun shooting 250+feet accurately? Also which internal upgrades would you recommend for a DMR build with this budget, and could you list them by which one is most important to the least important upgrade. I haven't played airsoft for a month due to the fact I spent a couple weeks on selling my previous guns and another just researching guns and looking at reviews to finally decide I want a DMR so could someone give me a straight answer on how to approach this problem so I can get the best possible way to obtain the DMR I so truly desire to own so I can get back to airsoft before the summer ends.

 

[razgriz22]

I said the kwa sr-12 becasue then you dont have to go and upgrade all of the internals right away. And the ballpark number to make the perfect DMR is usually over your price range. Thats why i'd suggest NEVER to skimp out and always get the best. You will always regret getting something cheaper to save a little bit of cash right now as compared to saving up a little more.

 

[metallicafatcat]

In your position, if you went with the ICS, I'd get the bushings replaced (they're somewhat soft), the gear shimmed and properly lubed, and a Fet installed. This will insure that your gears run smoothly and quietly and you get maximum energy transfer through the MOSFET. As for the Upper, just AoE, Sorbo, and get Maximum Compression. Most of the orginial compression parts can be recycled for the build. I suggest looking into the Holy Grail of DMRs and that should explain a bit more.

 

[batman]

what's the max accurate range of the sr 10? I've heard that the kwa's are hard to upgrade. I've heard a lot of bad things about ics being good to upgrade on but nothing really special,(just what I heard). So I've got a sr12, a vfc m16, a ics m16, or this TM M14 which I thought was pretty cool since some people have told me that the stock performance of the gun was shooting 180 accurately. Correct me if I''m wrong basically I don't have enough money to make a true DMR, but I could what I'm interrperting is that I get one of these high end aeg's that don't take up my whole budget and use the remaing 100 dollars or so to tweak it up so I take out what the gun's known cons are, and bring up the peformance a bit. I was wondering with this amount of money what is the possible max accurate range I get with what ever gun I get on average, and which one would be the best choice to go with? Also if you know a better base gun to go with,(I don't like AUG's that much) that will be better for my money and easy to upgrade feel free to put in your input.

P.S. thanks for taking your time for helping me, I'd be lost without your guy's guidance on the best route to take on my dream to get a DMR!