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Custom 90° VSR trigger (S-trigger)

LATEST VERSION S-trigger v.7



I hope that you don't forget on my S-trigger :).

It takes me some time to figure out what I want from the new trigger.

It is mostly:
  • Preserved safety function ( its challenge in this design )
  • Zero need of modification to the gun or trigger guard ( my priority )
  • Simply as possible
  • Robust and durable
  • Versatility ( TM VSR/TM L96 in one package )
  • Some adjustability ( length of trigger pull )
  • Light trigger pull ( even better than on last version )

I have prototype of a new S-trigger v.7 on which I am testing above-mentioned.
Its not the final design, needs some tweaking but is not far from that.

How much I wanted to makes it different from ZERO trigger. I spent a month by trying to make it completely different :) In the end its almost from 30% Zero trigger. Internally its almost completely redesigned. Less complex and easier to manufacture.

Stay tuned for news

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Info for Older version of the trigger ( v.6 ) below in code
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[B]For[/B] these who don't know my trigger , I call him [U]S-trigger[/U]. Functionally is based on Noobies M-trigger. So if there anybody who still trying to find some M-triggers for sale , I can offer you my S-trigger which has all features of M-trigger and something more.


[B]Advantage[/B] of my trigger beside other after market triggers is preserved function of [U]safety[/U] [only my S-trigger and V-trigger has safety].

For example on stock JG BAR-10 spring is trigger pull weight on my S-trigger [U]1,5 lb[/U]. and on V-trigger [U]4,5 lb[/U]. 

[B]It[/B] is simple 90 degree design focused on durability. All steel construction of trigger is ready for strongest upgrades available on market. 

[U][B]Trigger pull weight[/B][/U]

Average trigger pull weight on my S-trigger is 1.5 lb.
[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uYyk44FLK1U?t=20s]trigger pull measuring - YouTube[/url]

[U][B]Trigger guard modification[/B][/U]

[URL=http://s1260.photobucket.com/user/Gersprin/media/S-trigger/2_zpsvkx4ofxa.jpg.html][IMG]http://i1260.photobucket.com/albums/ii566/Gersprin/S-trigger/th_2_zpsvkx4ofxa.jpg[/IMG][/URL]

[URL=http://s1260.photobucket.com/user/Gersprin/media/S-trigger/1_zps4wqhuus1.jpg.html][IMG]http://i1260.photobucket.com/albums/ii566/Gersprin/S-trigger/th_1_zps4wqhuus1.jpg[/IMG][/URL]

[B]S-trigger[/B] is compatible with all after-market 90 degree pistons.
- [URL="http://www.uncompany.com/pageproductdetails.asp?prodid=22983"]Laylax[/URL]
- [URL="http://www.uncompany.com/pageproductdetails.asp?prodid=33620"]King Arms[/URL]
- [URL="http://shop.ehobbyasia.com/upgrade-part/parts-upgrade-rifle/cylinders-pistons/action-vsr-10-piston-with-stainless-steel-rear-end.html"]Action[/URL]
- [URL="http://www.x-fire.org/vsr10/e.vsr_pistonend.html"]PDI[/URL] (for conversion of standard 45 degree PDI piston)
- [URL="http://edgicustom.blogspot.sk/2008/01/jg-bar-10-upgrades.html"]Edgi[/URL]
- [URL="http://rangerscustoms.wix.com/rangerscustoms"]Ranger[/URL]

[U][B]Materials[/B][/U]

Sides: Aluminum
Piston sear: Stainless steel (Heat Treatment)
Pins: 4mm cold rolled steel
Thread inserts: Tappex Microbarb® M4 (brass)
Spring: 0,5 mm
Other parts: Stainless steel
Magnet : M35 (10x3mm)

[URL=http://s1260.photobucket.com/user/Gersprin/media/S-trigger/WP_20140725_006%20800x600_zpswtdf2g7n.jpg.html][IMG]http://i1260.photobucket.com/albums/ii566/Gersprin/S-trigger/WP_20140725_006%20800x600_zpswtdf2g7n.jpg[/IMG][/URL]
[URL=http://s1260.photobucket.com/user/Gersprin/media/S-trigger/WP_20140725_20_04_43_Pro%20800x600_zpsidhsul5i.jpg.html][IMG]http://i1260.photobucket.com/albums/ii566/Gersprin/S-trigger/WP_20140725_20_04_43_Pro%20800x600_zpsidhsul5i.jpg[/IMG][/URL]
[URL=http://s1260.photobucket.com/user/Gersprin/media/S-trigger/WP_20140725_20_04_01_Pro%20800x600_zps6cxiogxa.jpg.html][IMG]http://i1260.photobucket.com/albums/ii566/Gersprin/S-trigger/WP_20140725_20_04_01_Pro%20800x600_zps6cxiogxa.jpg[/IMG][/URL]

EXPLODED VIEW

[URL=http://s1260.photobucket.com/user/Gersprin/media/S-trigger/explode_zps8mupc9fk.jpg.html][IMG]http://i1260.photobucket.com/albums/ii566/Gersprin/S-trigger/th_explode_zps8mupc9fk.jpg[/IMG][/URL]

I know there are some users of my trigger. If anybody of them notice this thread, please let me know if you are satisfied with them or not. Thanks.
 

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Looks good but it all depends on the price and quality.

Many do prefer to buy know brands, I myself have no issues as long as the performance is there.
HI, I think price is reasonable (60 EUR or 80 dollars), I could tell its a quality thing but my opinion it not so important. More important are opinions of customers.
 

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Dont stop selling them bro.. Its winter and business always slows in the winter. How much are these "S triggers"?
I make pistons and have been looking to make some 90 degree pistons. Heck, I have been wanting a 90 degree triggerbox but havent had the money to spend on these expensive ones on the market. And to be honest, I think this is the first I have heard of yours! And I bet I am not the only one who hasnt heard of them. Do you have a website?....
Hi, you are doing great job with your upgrade parts.

As I told I am selling these for 80 dollars. My first impulse to start work on it was unreasonable high price (as you told), but there are many cheaper copies of expensive ones now (eg ActionArmy zero trigger copy).

I don't even think about it , I mean about 45 degree piston sear in my trigger.
But I think it isn't so impossible. Problem could be in compatibility, I read that M28 is not fully compatible with VSR. I don't know how much they differ.
Trigger is differ reportedly only slightly.

I don't have a website for now.

If you want I could do some ,,research,, in thing 45° piston sear in my 90° trigger
 

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The M28 uses the same triggerbox as the Vsr does. Some people report having problems, but I have used 2 bar10 triggerboxes with no issues. Even used my M28 triggerbox on a Bar10,lol.. Used a triggerbox from an Agm l96 also on my M28, the problem is the front tabs where the screw goes keeps breaking off..

The prices of the rest of the zero triggers are still quite high, and the "action" brand on WGC is $88 I think it was.. But to be honest, I'd rather buy from someone, than from a company. I prefer to help the small businesses,lol..

I was looking at your design and I figure the trigger sear can be shaped to match the standard 45 degree also. If I were you, I would be making both types. There are plenty of people out there that need a good trigger box for the 45's. I have broke 2 just this winter, and one over the summer,lol.. 3 in one years time is just stupid! And the new ones I just bought, I'm certain, they will break too.. Probably one will break before summer,lol..

I would gladly advertise your triggers on my website too.. I would like to help you in any way possible, as this also will help the airsoft community..
I will try to do some 45° piston sears for testing. And if you are telling it is compatible I could only trust you.

I will be grateful if you advertise my triggers.

And what spring do you have in gun when triggers are damage so frequently ?
 

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Wow, the Laylax broke? Haha.. That sucks!

I got my rifle used and the guy before me must have stripped out the holes that the trigger box screws into. So he had fatter screws to hold the trigger box on.

So every triggerbox I get, I have to drill the screw holes bigger. The screw holes itself arent breaking, just the front tabs kept breaking off. I decided to retire my M28 and bought another one to replace it. This ones screw holes are the correct size,lol..
I must reinforce my trigger mounting holes too. I stripped thread after few attached triggers. I consider to reinforce it with V-coil thread repair set and it is unbreakable now :)

And yes standard trigger box have a "few" weak points
 

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I have 1 of these fitted in my main VSR

Absolutely superb piece of kit, I've had no issues with mine at all and was considering buying a second for my other Visser ......

If they're good enough for the assassin surely they're good enough for everyone else :shrug:...... >:D
Thanks assassin

No final word on end of production.
 

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Have got another Rep point for your trigger mate.....

My mate bought 1 of your triggers at the same time as me, he ran his for a special occassion at 860 fps and put around 1000 rounds through it with no dramas, he still runs it at just over 500fps now with only a couple of replacement springs fitted to the trigger, and that is more likely to be down to him shooting 1000s of rounds through it rather than any bad production values :tup:
I remember on him. But I am not sure if it is ,,bigguns,,
 

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I would like one... But it probably won't be possible until I become a legal adult :ashamed:
Maybe you could somehow work out a US based distributor (not a company, mind you) More or less an individual to ship these to for sales in North America as opposed to buying from overseas and risk losing triggers. Although, I suppose you could lose a ton of triggers if you wholesale to the US based distributor and those get lost... :nuts:
I think it is no problem in your age, I could send it on your parents or someone else. And I think post service is not so creepy
 

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Not sure why or how they would get lost or stopped by customs really. I already mentioned about posting his triggers on my website, I am sure we can work something out if Springer wants me to sell them on the site also. Also if some can be made to work with 45 degree pistons. I cant see why they wouldnt sell..
When I do some 45 triggers , you could add them to your site , I will be happy.
 

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Ill email you back by this weekend to let you know when I can order one.
Thanks for the quick reply.

Edit: just to confirm my piston will work, I have an Edgi piston, have anyone ever used one with your s-trig?
can you send me link on site where is picture of EDGI piston or post it here ?

From 80% I don't know what pistons people us with my trigger.
 

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Your piston looks like 45° and my trigger only works with 90° piston for now.

There are two ways that you can go: You could buy 90° piston or I could change piston catch in my trigger to accommodate 45° pistons.

Here is probably cheaper one 90° piston http://shop.ehobbyasia.com/upgrade-part/parts-upgrade-rifle/cylinders-pistons/action-vsr-10-piston-with-stainless-steel-rear-end.html

Or you can ask Ranger if he is able to make piston for you or modify your Edgi piston on lathe

In this page of V-trigger is described advantage of 90° system
http://www.x-fire.org/vsr10/e.triggerproblem.html

On this pictures is shown difference between 45° and 90° system



 

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or a Polarstar 90 degree piston...if they ever start making VSR parts again! I contacted them once and they said they will continue with the VSR range after they've developed the Fusion engine.
I heard only positive reactions on their products. But it looks they have so much work with range of fusion engines for many types of guns. It will not be so soon when they start with VSR (probably)
 

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I am really pleased that there are some crafty European airsoft snipers out there. Thumbs up from me.
I am going to upgrade my VSR-10 (Marui base) to an M190 spirng (in Bulgaria the limit is 200m/s) and I want to ask your opinion if your trigger can handle it in long term....
There is no problem to run it with M190 spring. I tested my triggers on this spring without any problems. Replacement parts are no problem.

And yes shipping is almost 10 dollars.

Any 90° piston will work with my trigger ,there is only quality question. I use Laylax orange piston - works well, there are many copies of this piston but I dont know how quality.

Edgi piston looks good , but dont know how much costs.

Rangers piston looks also good. from video that I watch air seal looks better than on my laylax.
 
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