Echo 1 ASR Questions

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iamtheburd

Discussion Starter · May 10, 2011

Hey guys, I'm looking into my first sniper rifle! Lately, I've been eying the ASR since it's lightweight and comes with 3 magazines. However, I have heard that some cons to the gun.

First off, how is this durability-wise? I don't want to fire 500 rounds only to have a completely broken trigger box soon after.

Along with that, how is the stock performance? From the research I've done, a lot of mixed feelings have been shared.

Also, are upgrades hard to do for this gun? I've heard that some tinkering is required in order to find the best part combination. Along with that, what basic upgrades could I do with only a little bit of money? My budget is $200 including the price of the gun w/scope and BBs.

And if you have any other recommendations that you feel are better than this, feel free to leave them.

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fuzzywolly

· #2 · May 10, 2011

I would ask Ronin or Bob about this. If they do not post soon in this thread, try giving them a PM. They have had experience with this model and really know their stuff.

Also, check through this section ("Others") and look for some threads pertaining to the ASR. Should be a few there for you.

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bobgengeskahn

· #3 · May 10, 2011

Here we go again

... (I'll be nice just because we haven't had an ASR post in a little while), but in the future, search the forum, (use the Google domain advanced search function since the PB search function is just terrible)

1. "First off, how is this durability-wise? I don't want to fire 500 rounds only to have a completely broken trigger box soon after."

As for the durability I haven't really heard any stories about lemons. The only problems that I have had in mine in terms of durability have been:
a. The stock broke after a few drops/impacts to the butt, the latch stopped working.
b. The stock hop up died after a little while, a lot of barrel changes and a few buckings on a PSS210 spring; not unexpected on a clone gun.

2."Along with that, how is the stock performance? From the research I've done, a lot of mixed feelings have been shared."

There are too many variables in the manufacture process for them all to be truly standard out of the box. but mine was around 425 when I got it out of the box and after a short list of home brew DIY mods and some fine tuning with about $5 worth of materials I had it around 485-500.

3."Also, are upgrades hard to do for this gun? I've heard that some tinkering is required in order to find the best part combination."

ALL guns will take tinkering to find the proper combination of parts. The ASR is all L96 from the barrel spacer forward (with the exception of the magazines, they are proprietary as far as I know). The gun is all APS2 fron the receiver down. APS2 springs, trigger box, piston, piston head, spring guide etc.

On your budget I would get the gun (~110), cheap scope (~30), so that leaves you about $60 for the parts. Personally I would get a Madbull v2 barrel (~30), and a piston/piston head (~30). Anything else you want to do can be done for the change you can find in your sofa and a few searches on the forum (I know I posted the DIY that I did in one of my first posts on the forum).

3. "And if you have any other recommendations that you feel are better than this, feel free to leave them."

A springer is a springer is a springer, find the very few gun specific attributes that you want in a gun and buy based on that. Operation of spring guns will be the same, principle is the same, find the one that fits you best.

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iamtheburd

Discussion Starter · #4 · May 10, 2011

bobgengeskahn said:
Here we go again ... (I'll be nice just because we haven't had an ASR post in a little while), but in the future, search the forum, (use the Google domain advanced search function since the PB search function is just terrible)

1. "First off, how is this durability-wise? I don't want to fire 500 rounds only to have a completely broken trigger box soon after."

As for the durability I haven't really heard any stories about lemons. The only problems that I have had in mine in terms of durability have been:
a. The stock broke after a few drops/impacts to the butt, the latch stopped working.
b. The stock hop up died after a little while, a lot of barrel changes and a few buckings on a PSS210 spring; not unexpected on a clone gun.

2."Along with that, how is the stock performance? From the research I've done, a lot of mixed feelings have been shared."

There are too many variables in the manufacture process for them all to be truly standard out of the box. but mine was around 425 when I got it out of the box and after a short list of home brew DIY mods and some fine tuning with about $5 worth of materials I had it around 485-500.

3."Also, are upgrades hard to do for this gun? I've heard that some tinkering is required in order to find the best part combination."

ALL guns will take tinkering to find the proper combination of parts. The ASR is all L96 from the barrel spacer forward (with the exception of the magazines, they are proprietary as far as I know). The gun is all APS2 fron the receiver down. APS2 springs, trigger box, piston, piston head, spring guide etc.

On your budget I would get the gun (~110), cheap scope (~30), so that leaves you about $60 for the parts. Personally I would get a Madbull v2 barrel (~30), and a piston/piston head (~30). Anything else you want to do can be done for the change you can find in your sofa and a few searches on the forum (I know I posted the DIY that I did in one of my first posts on the forum).

3. "And if you have any other recommendations that you feel are better than this, feel free to leave them."

A springer is a springer is a springer, find the very few gun specific attributes that you want in a gun and buy based on that. Operation of spring guns will be the same, principle is the same, find the one that fits you best.

In answer to your first statement, I actually did search around the forum. Unfortunately, I felt that it didn't give me enough conclusive information, so I started this thread.

Also, thank you very much for that post. That is exactly what I was looking for and I really appreciate it! I knew it would take some tinkering, I just wanted to make sure that I wasn't going to have to buy parts only to find that I have to modify them to fit in the gun.

I also wanted to ask if the Echo 1 Upgrade Kit was even worth it. I know that I shouldn't use the included spring, but is the piston and spring guide worth putting into the gun?

But thanks again, I will take your advice and order it soon!

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hoggie

· #5 · May 11, 2011

This is a hard gun to upgrade, and is going to require a lot of tinkering, but don't let it be a turn off. Get this gun.

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fuzzywolly

· #6 · May 11, 2011

iamtheburd said:
I also wanted to ask if the Echo 1 Upgrade Kit was even worth it. I know that I shouldn't use the included spring, but is the piston and spring guide worth putting into the gun?

A few guys here have bought the kit as a cheap alternative to a more durable piston and spring guide. From what they have said, I would say its worth it. If I needed a cheap alternative to laylax and PDI parts, I would go with this kit for the spring guide and piston as it offers a durability increase.

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iamtheburd

Discussion Starter · #7 · May 11, 2011

Thanks for the info on the upgrade kit.

After examining what you guys have suggested and some more research, I have finally decided on what to do. How does this sound?

(In order of first upgrade to last)
-Madbull V2 6.03 barrel, 499mm
-Teflon mods for a better seal
-Echo 1 Upgrade Kit (without using the spring)
-Laylax Cylinder Head
-Reinforced sears
-Spring upgrade

Keep in mind, until I do the spring upgrade, I will be using .3s. Once I upgrade the spring, I'll move on to at least .4s.

Do you think this will be able to get me out on the field and get decent results while still keeping the gun in one piece?

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bobgengeskahn

· #8 · May 11, 2011

There are no suitable sears yet for the ASR. I have been using my PSS 210 spring with stock sears with no problems, my bolt is actually starting to fail before the sears are. As far as BB weight is concerned, I'm actually using .36s and haven't had that much success with anything heavier... but that will all really depend on the components you pick and how well they mesh.

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iamtheburd

Discussion Starter · #9 · May 11, 2011

Oh, that's too bad

. Well, at least that extra money can go into something else like a new hopup chamber. Speaking of which, if I bought a PDI chamber, would I have to get a completely new barrel and bucking?

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fuzzywolly

· #10 · May 11, 2011

iamtheburd said:
Oh, that's too bad . Well, at least that extra money can go into something else like a new hopup chamber. Speaking of which, if I bought a PDI chamber, would I have to get a completely new barrel and bucking?

Yes, the PDI chamber utilizes AEG barrels and buckings. Therefore, the ASR barrel will not work.

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iamtheburd

Discussion Starter · #11 · May 11, 2011

Thanks, that's what I thought. I guess I can just run on the Madbull barrel before buying the chamber.

Thank you all for your help! I'll order the gun today and upgrade with your recommendations.

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ronin055

· #12 · May 16, 2011

wow go off the board for a while and all kinds of fun stuff pops up.

First off, let me say that if you get this gun, it is not that hard to up grade if you get the correct parts.

If you do like some of us did last summer when this gun came out, and get what ever and make it work, well then you will have a harder time with it.

Stock performance is fine. Upgraded performance is wonderful.

Im hitting on torso out to about 250 ft or so consistantly at this point. My gun is holding up just fine and other than my special mods for my PDI chamber, I have had little or no difficulty with my gun.

I am currently shooting .30 madbull white bbs, and that seems to work just fine for me.

While I have heard horror stories about the sears going out, I have had no indication of this what so ever in my ASR which has at least 2500 rounds through it.

All in all, for $115 bucks, its a great gun.

Now into your 200$ budget.

Gun $115
Scopd 30$
upgrade kit 35$
Total about 180 which should leave you some money to buy a coke and some bbs.

Next you will want to do all the standard DIY mods.

Then in a while, your stock hop up chamber is going to fail.

So you wil want to put about 60$ into a PDI Type 96 chamber.
And with that chamber, you will want a barrel. I personally got the madbull 6.03 python 2. That was another 35$
Then lastly you will want a nice bucking. I have the Firefly, and it really seems to be doing the job. Good value for another 25$

So then you will be into the gun another $120 or so. And that will bring your grand total to what?. . . 300 bucks or there about.

But then I put a different stock on mine, and a supressor, and the adapter. So. . . ya, a few bucks more in the long run. But I love it as much as the guys who have 700 - 1000 in their guns. I have fun with mine and I think it came out decent for the $$ I put into it.

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