Echo 1 M14 EBR.

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sniperm24

Discussion Starter · Jul 8, 2010

Hey guys; I got an upgraded Echo 1 M14 EBR and was wondering what kind of bb's should I use for this gun to shoot at its best?
It shoots around 380-390FPS and when I turn the hop up on it stays on and won't turn off unless I take it apart and pull the lever of the hop up off.
Upgrades that I have in her are........
-6.03 tightbore barrel
-new hop up bucking
-M120 spring
-Piston
-Piston head
-metal bushings

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fuzzywolly

· #2 · Jul 8, 2010

Personally, I love to use heavier bbs than most people in all of my rifles and pistols. In my bolt action I use .4s, my m4 .28s, etc. My m4 actually shot around 380 fps, and I had some great success with the .28s. I would suggest you use at least .27s or heavier as this will really help with accuracy, and they are not as affected by the wind. Also, the heavier weight bbs can punch through small brush and stuff like that.

All in all, .27s or heavier. Mainly its what suits you best, so maybe try out a few bbs of each weight and see what you like best. For a starting point, go with .27s. Or if you are really hesitant on the heavier ones I guess .25s could work (but I dont recommend it).

josh

· #3 · Jul 8, 2010

I wouldnt use anything about .25's in a sub-400fps AEG. Reason being is the noise they make. They can and do turn heads and then people look, see a slow moving, white line and duck out of the way.

fuzzywolly

· #4 · Jul 8, 2010

josh said:
I wouldnt use anything about .25's in a sub-300fps AEG. Reason being is the noise they make.

His rifle shoots 380 he said.

josh

· #5 · Jul 8, 2010

Ooops I ment sub-400. Sorry.

fuzzywolly

· #6 · Jul 9, 2010

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I disagree. No person is going to be dodging a rifle shooting .28 bbs at around 300-310 fps. Its not dodgeball, and unless the person is directly looking at the shooter, they might have a chance to duck for cover or move, but to literally watch a bb and dodge it is not realistic in a fast moving game. For example, I use .4 bbs in my rifle which shoots around 400 fps with .2s. No one ever dodges my bbs. Now its a quiet sniper rifle, but none the less, sometimes I am directly facing my enemy. Another example, my m4 shoots 380 and I use .28s. I used to use it in the field (wood area) where accuracy was my main priority. While the bb traveled slower no one was dodging them by zig zagging back and forth and jumping like a frog over top of them.

If he wants accurate shooting and the ability to hit at long range, heavier bbs such as .27s would get the job done. Less affected by wind and with a tightbore barrel, etc. consistency will be higher.

However, it is up to him to make the decision. We each have our own styles and ways we play this wonderful game

I respect each person's opinion, and to each their own. Thats why we have our own rifles and do not have to share.

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sniperm24

Discussion Starter · #7 · Jul 9, 2010

Thanks for he advice guys I going with .28g bb's.

But I got another problem. When I put a high cap mag into my M14 it shoots around 80ft. and starts falling after 100ft. But when I put my mid cap mag into my M14 it shot great and didn't start falling until 180ft. Why is that?

prince

· #8 · Jul 9, 2010

sniperm24 said:
Thanks for he advice guys I going with .28g bb's. But I got another problem. When I put a high cap mag into my M14 it shoots around 80ft. and starts falling after 100ft. But when I put my mid cap mag into my M14 it shot great and didn't start falling until 180ft. Why is that?

Mid cap always perform better than hi cap becoz of the tense of strong spring inside the mag..not like hicap mag, the spring loosen when comes to last BB inside the BB slot in the mag..in dis case to mk the hicap keep the spring compressed wit BB, u must keep winding after one or two full auto burst

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fuzzywolly

· #9 · Jul 9, 2010

Not only does the mid cap perform way better, but its just a better option in general. Mid caps make no rattle noise when you move or the mags shake. Mid caps require no winding. Also, they area cheap and if you lose one, you are not out of much cash. Personally, I love the mid cap, and bought a ton for my m4. I cannot stand it when I have a teammate using high caps, who shoots off all his ammo right away. With a midcap magazine, when you empty a clip you realize that you only have lets say for example, five mags left. You tend to take better shots, rather than random bursts of fire at an enemy who is not close to being hit. This is because you realize ammo is not as abundant as with a high cap. "High-cappers" tend to shoot off all their ammo at once. That is because they know they have a ton of ammo to lose. With midcaps, this is simply not the case.

Overall, go midcaps. You will not regret it.

prince

· #10 · Jul 9, 2010

fuzzywolly said:
Not only does the mid cap perform way better, but its just a better option in general. Mid caps make no rattle noise when you move or the mags shake. Mid caps require no winding. Also, they area cheap and if you lose one, you are not out of much cash. Personally, I love the mid cap, and bought a ton for my m4. I cannot stand it when I have a teammate using high caps, who shoots off all his ammo right away. With a midcap magazine, when you empty a clip you realize that you only have lets say for example, five mags left. You tend to take better shots, rather than random bursts of fire at an enemy who is not close to being hit. This is because you realize ammo is not as abundant as with a high cap. "High-cappers" tend to shoot off all their ammo at once. That is because they know they have a ton of ammo to lose. With midcaps, this is simply not the case.

Overall, go midcaps. You will not regret it.

yeahhh..mid cap add the realism n discipline too..

sniperm24

Discussion Starter · #11 · Jul 9, 2010

Thanks guys and I got one more question. My M14 EBR is still shooting weird. I shot it today with the mid cap and it shot and dropped at 80ft. So it is not the mag what could it be? Because if I shoot like 50 rounds through it then it starts to shoot at 150ft.

fuzzywolly

· #12 · Jul 9, 2010

The only thing I can say is that there could be something wrong with your hop up chamber. Either that or a feeding issue. If you are getting bad shots and then all of a sudden great shots, something wierd is happening. Are you positive that it starts out shooting poorly than starts shooting great? Does it go back to shooting poorly after a few good shots or...? If thats the case, maybe the bucking is torn causing spiratic shots all over the place. Give me alittle more info on the matter, and I can help you out.

My quick question list for you:
1. Does it shoot bad then all of a sudden good? Does it stay shooting good or does it change between bad and normal shots?
2. Any misfeeding?
3. Are you sure your bucking is correctly aligned in the hop up chamber? This is important as if it is not, there will be severe hop down. However, you said it shoots normal after 50 rounds? Are you positive? If not, this could very easily be the problem.
4. Are you losing compression anywhere?

Mainly, if you are only getting shots up to 80 feet I would say adjust the hop up. If nothing happens, its the bucking misaligned. However, I am puzzled by the good shots after 50 rounds. Please elaborate and I will try my best to help

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sniperm24

Discussion Starter · #13 · Jul 9, 2010

Yes it does go back to shooting poorly after a few good shots. I don't think its the hop up bucking because I looked in it and it was no signs of tear. It does miss feed sometimes and the 50 round shot thing was just an estimate. Sorry for the confusion.

fuzzywolly

· #14 · Jul 9, 2010

Ok, that makes more sense. When you adjust the hop up, does it affect the bbs at all? If not, the bucking is most likely inside the hop up chamber in a incorrect position. This is different from a torn bucking as this can happen to a perfectly good bucking. There is a certain way the bucking needs to be placed and if it is not, there will be no hop on the bbs, no matter how you adjust the hop up. Also, it will misfeed as well. I am talking from personnel experience with my aeg. This is an easy fix and if you figure it out, the results will be so much better.

Let me know how this goes.

fuzzywolly

· #15 · Jul 10, 2010

Sniperm24 wrote:
"I did but it still does the same thing. And I got another problem when I shot it. The nozzle head was to long so it didn't feed the bb's. I fixed that by sanding it down a little I think. Then after that it still shot weird then it started to make a loud crack noise and no air was coming out of the barrel when I pull the trigger."

Sounds like a much more serious problem than I expected it to be. Might need to take her apart and look at the internals to see if anything is out of place or is cracked or something. You know, things out of the ordinary, chipped pieces, that sort of thing.

Edit: Why did you delete your post? Stop messing with your posts. You are confusing the crap out of me by deleting them and switching them around.

sniperm24

Discussion Starter · #16 · Jul 10, 2010

I did but it still does the same thing. And I got another problem when I shot it. The nozzle head was to long so it didn't feed the bb's. I fixed that by sanding it down a little I think. Then after that it still shot weird then it started to make a loud crack noise and no air was coming out of the barrel when I pull the trigger.

fuzzywolly

· #17 · Jul 10, 2010

This is the exact same post you wrote on the first page. But you deleted it. Like I said in my post on the other page, do not delete them. This confuses people who are reading this and might be having the same problem you have. The whole idea here is to help people learn now, but to also help people in the future who search and find that this could help answer their question.

To answer, you are obviously losing some compression somewhere if no air is coming out of the barrel. Is their a bb jammed in your barrel. Try using the unjamming rod to see if there is possibly a bb stuck. This could prevent the feeding of the rest of the bbs, and anything coming out of the barrel.

sniperm24

Discussion Starter · #18 · Jul 11, 2010

I found out the cylinder head was broken in the gearbox but nothing seem to be wrong with my Hop-up unit. It still shoots all weird though.

fuzzywolly

· #19 · Jul 11, 2010

It still shoots all weird though.

Probably because your cylinder head is broken??? You cannot just use a rifle that is missing or has broken parts. Thats probably where you lost all your compression.

Did you shoot the rifle without the cylinder head in ???

sniperm24

Discussion Starter · #20 · Jul 11, 2010

Haha no I did not fire the weapon without the cylinder head. I am going to get a new one and when I do ill tell you my results.

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