Echo 1 M28 Future and testing

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sounguru

Discussion Starter · Dec 14, 2010

My Echo 1 M28 arrives on the 16th and like every good gun owner I have already been figuring out what to do to make it unique and stand out from the crowd but not on the field...

So here is my plan...

Gonna leave it stock until I get a real sense of what it can do and what needs to be tweaked. I believe you need to put a few 100 rounds through a gun before you learn all it's quirks.

So as far as my question for you folks. I have used Krylon Fusion in the past with mixed results so I'm looking at 2 other options.

Duracoat and Enamel Model paint since a water transfer is out of the question because of cost.

So have anyone used either of those and what were the results, because I have a few reservations with both, but will see if those don't get answered before I put them on the table.

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trugrit

· #21 · Dec 31, 2010

Thanks for the info metallic. looks like there is a dearth of aftermarket parts right now. Of course, I expect Echo 1 will fix that relatively soon.

enutt5

· #22 · Jan 2, 2011

Hey guys, I need some recommendations towards which bb's to get for the echo 1 m28. I ordered the gun today and was going to purchase bb's with it but I wanted to be sure to get the best bb's. I'm going for accuracy at targets 120-140ft away. Let me know what yal think.

hidden187

· #23 · Jan 2, 2011

Enutt5, just so you know, you need to make a intro post. Here is a link to were you can put it.
As for the BB wight, you should use .30's or higher, madbull, and bio's are good sniper BB's.

enutt5

· #24 · Jan 2, 2011

Oh ok..... And thanks dude.

trugrit

· #25 · Jan 3, 2011

Found this review thread started by someone who actually has the rifle. The information looks pretty interesting, with the reviewer noting the same magazine issues as others have reported.

http://alabamaairsoft.forumotion.net/t2291-echo-1-m28-an-in-depth-review

So far, it looks like the M28 is a pretty good out-of-the-box rifle, needing a little TLC with the magazines. The guy makes much of the paint chipping but, come on, don't we all just paint our rifles when they come in?

Interesting to note his FPS with .30's was ranging around 415-420. That's .30's. Nice. Also, from his caliper measurements, the inner barrel is a 6.03. If this is true, the rifle should be a sweet shooter for anyone who takes their time to dial everything in.

sounguru

Discussion Starter · #26 · Jan 3, 2011

Okay here is what I have found ...

-The Inner Barrel is way different than a VSR (see attached picture)
-495mm in length
-6.03 inner Dia
-VSR pro (small sized) Hop unit will not fit (larger JG/VSR still to be tested)
-VSR hop arm will not work in the Echo 1 Hop Up
-Hop Up Bucking was very loose and without the support in the front has a tendency to slip out of place.
-VSR spring guide will fit
-All metal trigger mech and sears look to be pretty strong
-515 FPS average with .20
-Do not go over a .30 bb you can not get enough hop
-Stock is hollow so can be sound dampened but the walls are .5" thick
-Mags if inserted while in the palm of your hand with an even pressure install rather easily
-Gorilla glue is great to lock that door shut
-Door is so you can adjust the trigger pull without disassembling the rifle
-Barrel is way dirty
-150' effective range w/.30
-200' max range w/.30
-Hop up can be a pain to reassemble watch out for the little white nubbie that goes on the adjusting arm and clicks into place as you adjust the hop up arm
- 3 Solid Barrel spacers with o-rings on the outside and on the inside.
-Z trigger or Nobbies M will not fit but a V-trigger might.

All in all it is a good gun but will need some after market parts or to be tested with parts I don't have to see if it can be a great gun.

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woogie

· #27 · Jan 3, 2011

The barrel looks more like a pistol cut.

And I would think that if the zero or the M-trigg doesn't work I wouldn't think that the V-trigger would. Though what triggers did you use? A VSR style or APS-2 trigger?

And lets see some pics darn it!

sounguru

Discussion Starter · #28 · Jan 4, 2011

woogie said:
The barrel looks more like a pistol cut.

And I would think that if the zero or the M-trigg doesn't work I wouldn't think that the V-trigger would. Though what triggers did you use? A VSR style or APS-2 trigger?

And lets see some pics darn it!

The Z and the M will not fit because of their physical shape, but the V is shaped a lot like the stock trigger mech but not having one I can't say if it would fit or not. Not that it really matters until someone comes out with a 90 degree piston for the thing anyway.

All that I tried were the VSR trigger mechs.

Pictures will have to wait the wife has the camera in Ohio at this point and I'm still waiting on parts to come in to lay down paint.

dragon64

· #29 · Jan 5, 2011

trugrit said:
Found this review thread started by someone who actually has the rifle. The information looks pretty interesting, with the reviewer noting the same magazine issues as others have reported.

http://alabamaairsoft.forumotion.net/t2291-echo-1-m28-an-in-depth-review

So far, it looks like the M28 is a pretty good out-of-the-box rifle, needing a little TLC with the magazines. The guy makes much of the paint chipping but, come on, don't we all just paint our rifles when they come in?

Interesting to note his FPS with .30's was ranging around 415-420. That's .30's. Nice. Also, from his caliper measurements, the inner barrel is a 6.03. If this is true, the rifle should be a sweet shooter for anyone who takes their time to dial everything in.

Thanks for the kind words, the review is still ongoing... as for paint, I don't repaint my rifles unless they need to be brought back to a stock look... I'm just not creative enough to 'personalize' a rifle. I like the stock look anyway, so I roll with it.

@sounguru - nice breakdown of your M28. I do not plan to get this indepth, as I probably will not modify my rifle, but it is excellent info for the would be tink-meister to know.

Also, trying your method of magazine loading has worked thus far, and I for one am glad the magazines have performed as designed...

sounguru

Discussion Starter · #30 · Jan 7, 2011

Okay I finally got the bipod part now just waiting on the barrel extension and pictures and paint to come...

ronin055

· #31 · Jan 8, 2011

Didnt ASGI do a review on this gun and say that their trigger set will work in it?

I think I saw that in a vid on you-tube. But I may be mistaken.

And for people who want a fantastic professional finish on their gun, I saw this recently. Camo Dip its a water transfer process that you can do at home. I watched a You-Tube vid on it, and I was blown away at how easy it is.

Just thought Id put that up for anyone interested.

Sons of Odin

· #32 · Jan 10, 2011

sounguru said:
Okay here is what I have found ...

-The Inner Barrel is way different than a VSR (see attached picture)
-495mm in length
-6.03 inner Dia
-VSR pro (small sized) Hop unit will not fit (larger JG/VSR still to be tested)
-VSR hop arm will not work in the Echo 1 Hop Up
-Hop Up Bucking was very loose and without the support in the front has a tendency to slip out of place.
-VSR spring guide will fit
-All metal trigger mech and sears look to be pretty strong
-515 FPS average with .20
-Do not go over a .30 bb you can not get enough hop
-Stock is hollow so can be sound dampened but the walls are .5" thick
-Mags if inserted while in the palm of your hand with an even pressure install rather easily
-Gorilla glue is great to lock that door shut
-Door is so you can adjust the trigger pull without disassembling the rifle
-Barrel is way dirty
-150' effective range w/.30
-200' max range w/.30
-Hop up can be a pain to reassemble watch out for the little white nubbie that goes on the adjusting arm and clicks into place as you adjust the hop up arm
- 3 Solid Barrel spacers with o-rings on the outside and on the inside.
-Z trigger or Nobbies M will not fit but a V-trigger might.

All in all it is a good gun but will need some after market parts or to be tested with parts I don't have to see if it can be a great gun.

I don't mean to correct you but the 150' effective range and 200' max range is well... off idk if you got a lemon, but ive had a ~250 ft kill already and havn't figured the MAX range yet but i can say its +300'.( shooting for max range was conducted on my street the telephone polls are 100' appart) Thats all with .25s im waiting on my .4's now.

dragon64

· #33 · Jan 10, 2011

Sons of Odin said:
-I don't mean to correct you but the 150' effective range and 200' max range is well... off idk if you got a lemon, but ive had a ~250 ft kill already and havn't figured the MAX range yet but i can say its +300'.( shooting for max range was conducted on my street the telephone polls are 100' appart) Thats all with .25s im waiting on my .4's now.

That would be rather impressive to reach out 300ft. I am having a little bucking issue myself; the hop-up will adjust per the slide, and the changes are quite noticeable, but the rifle will shoot left and right, never straight. 150ft to 175ft hits are impossible unless I drastically compensate for the direction. But I never know which direction the balls will fly.

Once my warranty is up I will dig a little deaper into the rifle and see what I can find.

whisper

· #34 · Jan 10, 2011

I know very little about the M28, but I would recommend shimming the hopup arm so that it's centered perfectly. Does anyone have a pic of the hopup unit (link maybe)? I could recommend some other mods too.

sounguru

Discussion Starter · #35 · Jan 10, 2011

Sons of Odin said:
I don't mean to correct you but the 150' effective range and 200' max range is well... off idk if you got a lemon, but ive had a ~250 ft kill already and havn't figured the MAX range yet but i can say its +300'.( shooting for max range was conducted on my street the telephone polls are 100' appart) Thats all with .25s im waiting on my .4's now.

I too find the 300' claim hard to swallow. I have put over 1000' through the gun and can say with .30 to be able to hit a 2'x2' target 8 out of 10 shots 150' is top. After that the BB's will not be as accurate and the chance of hitting drops dramatically. I can Float a bb out to about 250' but beyond that it is a no go.

Also you need to make an Intro post via the board rules.

On a side note I have hit a snag. The gun will not load a BB after playing with the hop up. Not sure if it is a mag issue or a Hop up issue yet. I'm leaning towards Hop up unit failure but once I get back into it I will let you know.

whisper said:
I know very little about the M28, but I would recommend shimming the hopup arm so that it's centered perfectly. Does anyone have a pic of the hopup unit (link maybe)? I could recommend some other mods too.

Because of the design of the hop up (I will take pictures next time I go into it) shimming the hop up arm will need to be done a little differently. Most of the other mods are all standard fare.

dragon64

· #36 · Jan 16, 2011

whisper said:
I know very little about the M28, but I would recommend shimming the hopup arm so that it's centered perfectly. Does anyone have a pic of the hopup unit (link maybe)? I could recommend some other mods too.

I worked some on the M28 hop up today, and pics and fixes can be seen at this link:

http://alabamaairsoft.forumotion.net/t2291p30-echo-1-m28-an-in-depth-review

sounguru said:
On a side note I have hit a snag. The gun will not load a BB after playing with the hop up. Not sure if it is a mag issue or a Hop up issue yet. I'm leaning towards Hop up unit failure but once I get back into it I will let you know...

Because of the design of the hop up (I will take pictures next time I go into it) shimming the hop up arm will need to be done a little differently. Most of the other mods are all standard fare.

Have you been able to nail down the problem with BB's not loading? I had the same issue earlier today, but it was due to the fact that I did not have the action completely seated in the bed of the stock after working on the hop unit... easily fixed of course.

sounguru

Discussion Starter · #37 · Jan 17, 2011

DRAGON64 said:
Have you been able to nail down the problem with BB's not loading? I had the same issue earlier today, but it was due to the fact that I did not have the action completely seated in the bed of the stock after working on the hop unit... easily fixed of course.

Nope haven't gotten back into the gun I'm waiting on a TBB before I open here up again.

dragon64

· #38 · Jan 24, 2011

A member at the Airsoft Forum posted this little tidbit:

http://www.covertairsoft.com/index.php/internal-parts/piston-piston-head/echo-1-sniper-upgrade-pack.html

It is a 20% upgrade kit that is supposedly available for the M28. If this is indeed true, then there are options opening up to us M28 owners.

sounguru

Discussion Starter · #39 · Jan 25, 2011

I have heard that is just for the ASR and will actually drop the FPS of the M28.

dragon64

· #40 · Jan 25, 2011

sounguru said:
I have heard that is just for the ASR and will actually drop the FPS of the M28.

I looked at the ECHO1 USA website, and that upgrade kit is listed for the ASR only no mention of the M28. In fact, the only spare part listed for the M28 was the gummy hop up rubber.

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