Effectiveness of Bolt Action Rifles and Technology

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Steels

Discussion Starter · Jun 5, 2012

Today I spent some time with a friend of mine who happens to also play airsoft, and we talked about issues regarding the activity and how snipers play a role in operations and games. My friend has played airsoft for a couple of years, and he has primarily played as your average grunt with the M4 in a professional grade community based in Boise, Idaho. He told me today that he was looking at buying a G&G M1 that was supposedly being released soon as a DMR, and the conversation turned to sniping in his community.

Snipers are practically extinct within his town. Every dedicated sniper who joined their games either stopped playing or changed positions to DM. So, naturally, I began to wonder why this was. After listening for a bit, I learned that the closest thing to a sniper per say was a DM with a rifle that made clear 100 yard shots. Even more talking revealed that the circumstances in these games simply left bolt action spring rifles at such a great disadvantage, compared to a heavily upgraded M14 EBR, that AEGs were the only survivable choice within reason. Obviously there's some setup out there that you could find, but it certainly hadn't reared its head in this community.

My question to you all after this conversation is: Are spring rifles becoming more obsolete as AEGs and the technology surrounding them become more advanced and accurate? Is it possible for a spring rifle to consistently outstrip an AEG in accuracy and range anymore, if at all? Is this question asked because of myths and misconceptions I've gathered so far? I feel kind of let down if it's true that I couldn't survive everywhere with a bolt action, they're pretty cool guns.

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SilentScope

· #21 · Jun 6, 2012

I was probably biased on sound lol. Bullet valve rifles have nothing on my BASR >

. Although, if neither gun was tampered with, then I'd agree with BV rifles.

+1 On springer replacement parts.

Going back to the OP's concern; I believe that the sniper rifle itself is still missing that extra UMPHH. Until we're allowed to use special ammo for sniper rifles or some other sniper rifle innovation is made, then other platforms will be capable of performing at a nearly identical level.

Masterjuggler98

· #22 · Jun 6, 2012

I have absolutely no experience with BVs. In fact I didn't know what they were until yesterday. But I can say that I also can't stand the grinding AEG sounds. Especially the strange whirring sound my friend's gun makes when on full auto. Sounds like it's going to break any second even though it's lasted a year now. Anyway, the sound is really only a problem if you are a sniper. CQB people don't mind because what's it going to do to them if they have the loudest gun on the field? They don't need to hide themselves. Because we are snipers and we need concealment to do our jobs, We need to silence our guns as much as humanly possible. Stressing quiet guns is a good thing.

inthetallgrass

· #23 · Jun 6, 2012

A) Skill
B) Patience
C) Queitness
D) Concealment.

Thats all I have to say.

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reezo

· #24 · Jun 7, 2012

I get what your friends are saying and I believe that, IF you take the role factor out, airsoft is technically giving BASRs a disadvantage.

DMRs shoot faster in a fixed time window thus allowing the shooter to increase the hit chance over a BASR. Range-wise, they are comparable and hit-chance wise there is not much gap..this is why the RoF gives semi auto rifles the ultimate advantage.

If a BASR in airsoft had 150% to twice the range of other rifles and/or had tighter (MUCH tighter) grupings than other rifles, then I believe BASRs would get back into the game..

But you can't hit someone with a .88g BB delivering 4-7 Joules, because the MED would become over 100 yards lol

So I think ghillie suits are great, sniper roles are great, etc. etc. but I think BASR rifles are used because of the cool and fun/role factor..because I would use DMRs even in a full sniper loadout..to use BASRs you really have to be dedicated to the role image

These are just my opinions, I never played either DM or sniper roles, so I am conscious I am judging from the exterior side of the thing

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Masterjuggler98

· #25 · Jun 7, 2012

inthetallgrass said:
A) Skill
B) Patience
C) Queitness
D) Concealment.

Thats all I have to say.

In my opinion it is as follows:
1) Skill
2) Concealment
3) patience

You need skill to get any of these requirements in the first place. While there are times when you may not need to be concealed, it is the sniper's ultimate weapon in airsoft. You can have all the patience in the world, but if you don't conceal yourself it doesn't matter. quietness is part of being concealed, so we don't need that as one of them.

inthetallgrass

· #26 · Jun 7, 2012

When I say quietness I mean how a BASR is much quieter than any DMR....
That is a major factor for concealment and a major factor in using a BASR over a DMR.

Masterjuggler98

· #27 · Jun 7, 2012

Oh okay. when you said "skill" it made me think you were talking about the player through the whole thing.

StealthFundip

· #28 · Jun 13, 2012

Masterjuggler98 said:
"In time those little rambos will grow up."

Yes, then they will be grown-up Rambos with the mindset that they are invincible because they have an AEG.

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~Ranger~

· #29 · Jun 13, 2012

I started back in 2000 with a bolt rifle,played a few year as sniper, then got a decent aeg. I did get more kills but it just was not the same feeling inside. I felt much more at home with a bolt rifle, more stealthy for some reason. I just play different when using a bolt rifle than I do with an aeg. I like to roll off by myself without any spotters or backups cause they tend to blow my cover way too much! My m28 was pretty quiet, had extreme range and great accuracy! I only pulled the trigger when I was at least 95% sure I'd get the kill. I dont know why but being a sniper just feels right to me. I found that I dont even much care for aeg's! Most people get that super neat looking sniper rifle and expect to become Carlos Hathcock but end up dropping the snipers role fast and buy an aeg.

Its not the weapon that wins the battle, its the soldier. The rifles just aid in our sneakyness "I know thats gotta be spelled wrong" But most any m4 yealding grunt will say they HATE snipers cause they can be so deadly on the field. Plus it takes forever to get through a bottle of ammo,lol..

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MiloXC3

· #30 · Jun 13, 2012

I think snipers play a significant role in winning games in airsoft, but go unseen a lot. I mean, good snipers are concealed and pick off key targets to help their team, but half the time your team doesn't even know you're doing it!

~Ranger~

· #31 · Jun 13, 2012

Nicely put,lol..

Bushmaster Recon

· #32 · Jun 13, 2012

Couldn't agree more.

Wolfgeorge

· #33 · Jun 13, 2012

MiloXC3 you're right, I want to add the fact, once you hit someone from the opponent team his teammates start to move with caution thus delaying giving your team the time to regroup and make a strategy.
Of course there's the recon role when you give targets possition to the assault gunners!

The problem now is the summers heat... I can't even think of wearing the ghillie suit!

Wolf

Libelle

· #34 · Jun 13, 2012

I think the AEG-noise line is a faulty concern. An AEG does not have to be noisy. I know a 1,930rpm aeg that is whisper quiet on full-auto, and I know some DMRs that make very little noise over 20 ft and certainly are inaudible at the MED.

So, we are left with something just as long-ranged, just as accurate and with much higher refire.

SilentScope

· #35 · Jun 13, 2012

Libelle said:
I think the AEG-noise line is a faulty concern. An AEG does not have to be noisy. I know a 1,930rpm aeg that is whisper quiet on full-auto, and I know some DMRs that make very little noise over 20 ft and certainly are inaudible at the MED.

So, we are left with something just as long-ranged, just as accurate and with much higher refire.

The distinct sound of the gears make me cringe, not necessarily the volume; it sounds like I'm driving an RC car.
AEGs are great, but I prefer other >

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