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Hello all!

I am panning to get the new "enhanced" m24 from airsoftgi.com, and i wondered what you guys thought about it. i.e. is there any difference between this one and the old one, is the m24 a good base rifle, etc.

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from what I can find these are the improvements over the standard M24..

Improvements of M24 socom sniper
- The rubber of adjustable stock will not slip out easily.
- Magazine of M24 feeds the pellet more smoothly.
- Reinforced safety switch in the trigger.

that aside....

@ $219 its a good deal.. for a base system.

but you are looking at upgrading as a minimum

the barrel
spring
spring guide
piston
hop up bucking & nub

all the other upgrades can wait.

you will not need a zero trigger with this system...
as the ca trigger is very strong and also adjustable
but you may want a second set of sears on hand for back-up.

hope that helps a little...
 

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If i were to buy it, i would put in the EDGI barrel and the upgraded cylinder set. I was wondering what is the best hop-up bucking for it. And, it is shooting at 450 STOCK, instead of the mid to low 300's!
 

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i use madbull soft... but i also change the bucking out monthly because the desert I live and play in wrecks them.

in a more moist climate you could probably just choose your favorite because they use standard AEG buckings..
 

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Airsoftology Podcast mentions the Enhance CA M24 version.
CA has released it shooting in the mid 400's (FPS) now. The older versions were shooting low 300's stock.
Will take all the upgrades like the older version.

Airsoft GI has the Military M24 (fluted barrel) now.

Man I want one! just dumped too much into a few of my AEGs though.
 

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Hello,Silentfury214
I purchased the m24 enhanced version from airsoftgi. the gun is built well and shoots well.out of the box mine shot 468fps I installed a spring spacer about 1/2 long and the fps increased to 518fps. I shoot 40gr bb's about 100-125 ft..check all screws and hop up tension screw and barrel screws
pros...well built gun
fps
smooth trigger and it's adjustable

cons.... parts hard to find
hop up adjusting SUCKS
6.08 barrel

Frankm24
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silentfury214 said:
vindicareassassin said:
Oh look, another one thats been fed the tighter/longer/bigger am bestest 4 ur sn1p3rz bull shit on other forums and believed it ::)
Please elaborate.
Sure..... you must of missed this bit, when you read my DMR guide ;).......

"The barrel, most noobs and a suprising amount of not so noobs are under the tighter and longer is king type spell, well sad to say its total bull shit! It has long been accepted in the spring powered bolt action world that anything over 509mm is pointless and actually causes the rifle to be less accurate, and that the VSR performs best with a barrel between 430mm and 480mm. It is also considered widely that an AEGs can be accurate with a barrel as short as 363mm.

While we are considering barrels its also worth thinking about the bore size, most people believe the tighter it is the more accurate it is, if this is so why are most VSR users moving to 6.05mm bore barrels as they are more accurate than a 6.01? And why are some major Japanese companies starting to advertise 6.08mm barrels as their accuracy barrels?"

Plus theres a rough explanation on X-fires site as to why, plus if you search the tech sec here, IIRC 2echo did a comparison test and it showed a 6.08 was more accurate than his TBB.


My mistake it was sticks13

All the barrel needs to be is perfectly straight and clean, the tighter bit just gives you extra fps, it really is that simple ;)

A TBB will tighten your grouping at shorter ranges but at long range, ie where we operate, there are so many other forces at work on the BB how tight your barrel was has got very little to do with if the target gets hit or not.

A TBB will enable you to use a slightly softer spring for any given power output, but then throw in differing sizes of BB etc and some times its questionable as to if it makes or breaks your accuracy, where as a 6.08 there are no such issues, the BB is cushioned on 7/8ths of its diameter the rest is running down the nice straight barrel top :)

Hence, my current project is a SOCOM II M14 DMR for CQB work it will be fitted with a 363mm x 6.08mm barrel :)
 

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vindicareassassin said:
silentfury214 said:
Please elaborate.
Sure..... you must of missed this bit, when you read my DMR guide ;).......

"The barrel, most noobs and a suprising amount of not so noobs are under the tighter and longer is king type spell, well sad to say its total bull shit! It has long been accepted in the spring powered bolt action world that anything over 509mm is pointless and actually causes the rifle to be less accurate, and that the VSR performs best with a barrel between 430mm and 480mm. It is also considered widely that an AEGs can be accurate with a barrel as short as 363mm.

While we are considering barrels its also worth thinking about the bore size, most people believe the tighter it is the more accurate it is, if this is so why are most VSR users moving to 6.05mm bore barrels as they are more accurate than a 6.01? And why are some major Japanese companies starting to advertise 6.08mm barrels as their accuracy barrels?"

Plus theres a rough explanation on X-fires site as to why, plus if you search the tech sec here, IIRC 2echo did a comparison test and it showed a 6.08 was more accurate than his TBB.


My mistake it was sticks13

All the barrel needs to be is perfectly straight and clean, the tighter bit just gives you extra fps, it really is that simple ;)

A TBB will tighten your grouping at shorter ranges but at long range, ie where we operate, there are so many other forces at work on the BB how tight your barrel was has got very little to do with if the target gets hit or not.

A TBB will enable you to use a slightly softer spring for any given power output, but then throw in differing sizes of BB etc and some times its questionable as to if it makes or breaks your accuracy, where as a 6.08 there are no such issues, the BB is cushioned on 7/8ths of its diameter the rest is running down the nice straight barrel top :)

Hence, my current project is a SOCOM II M14 DMR for CQB work it will be fitted with a 363mm x 6.08mm barrel :)
I have a proven methodology, and working knowledge based on a good understanding of the physics involved, valid compiled data, and real world application providing well founded results.

I must express my own assessment on your comment stating "that a tight bore barrel does not increase your accuracy" is unfortunately mis-founded and is based on limited testing with a few select tightbore barrels and BB selection for test criteria.
As the proven physics behind scientific principles never change, therefore all other variables must be taken into account.
In most cases when the installation of a tight bore barrel produces a degraded result in accuracy, then there are most often other contributing factors resulting from improper tuning such as: air leaks, an inconsistent variation in fps between shots, improper BB selection, even a improperly broken in TB barrel, or flawed TB barrel that could most likely be culprit to equating in flawed results.
I must admit that as a precision marksman myself, it has taken a lot of patience with countless trial and error testing to come to the conclusion of establishing an adequate acceptable benchmark to base an airsoft guns achievable performance upon, but I feel that I have done so accordingly after years of experimentation with a multitude of products and the ability to produce repetitive & consistent results after adapting well founded practice methods.

The idea of using polishing wax to increase the accuracy of a 6.08mm stock bore barrel is not a new practice at all, and actually has been a less common known trade secret for years among fellow air-smiths alike. Although, this is a cheap non-permanent alternative for the budget airsoft marksman, it actually does help with filling the surface voids that are so commonly found in lesser quality barrels.
The concept is much less practical for achieving sustained & repetitive results, as there is no exact science to establishing a true run-out tolerance throughout the inner barrels surface by using wax and results will vary considerably from each application.

I do agree with your assessment, that with farther ranged shots the tightbore has a much less effect than it will at 100' on a conventional airsoft setup that uses a hop-up, and other factors come into play such as thorough BB selection and environmental variables.
The most accurate airsoft sniper rifle ever produced, was produced by Mike Aceves of Right Hook Fabrications utilized a 6.01mm tightbore barrel, and the gun consistently produced sub 5" groups at 85 meters (92 yards or 278 ft).

Most Airsoft Snipers make the common mistake of trying to apply that of which defines marksman precision in real firearms to their airsoft gun and unfortunately most will end up greatly discouraged by doing so.
With a precision target rifle, shots are primarily made from fixed controlled positions. To a combat shooter; sniper, or otherwise that concept is mute in most cases on the battle field while under fire and all shots are intended for man size targets of acquisition rather than small fixed position targets. When applying combat shooting practices to airsoft, most players will find their success rate of target engagement hits will greatly increase as will their effective range regardless of how much they spend on upgrades. A confident well versed shooter is what makes a rifle great, not the rifle that make great shooters...

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Thats a very good post bushman and no-one said my word is law, its just my findings and experience in the 9 years I've been building airsoft guns.

But, I think you will still find the statement "all it needs to be is clean and straight" still holds true.

A TBB will increase your accuracy if you are using a short barrel and very heavy ammo with high power, as it controls the BB better from the point of hop until it stabilizes at the barrel top, after that it could be a hose pipe, so long as it was straight, it would still give you the same groupings.

This is something nearly everyone bar the serious airsoft tuners don't take into account, or even think about, and that is tuning the length of barrel to the volume of air produced by the cylinder to the actual weight of BB used. This and a stable and consistent hop are what create accuracy not how tight the barrel is.

Physics and fluid dynamics dictate that the BB, under back spin, after its initial stabilization bounces will run at, or very close to, the top of the barrel, the larger air gap provided by a larger bore enables more air to pass the BB on all available sides, thus stabilizing it more effectively than in a tight bore.

The down side is it makes the compression system less efficient, and heavier springs need to be incorporated to rectify this.

As an example my old CA M24 had a 509mm x 6.08 AEG barrel in it, 500fps using .29 SGMs would give me 7" groupings at 70 metres on a windless day.

My current VSR gives roughly the same groupings using a 440mm x 6.04mm barrel.

That to me is good enough for what is essentially is an air powered musket, which is why I agree with your last statement about it being the shooter under stressful conditions not the rifle that makes a good shot, and said as much in another thread a couple of days ago.
 
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