Ah! I was contemplating starting a thread on this also.
Interested to hear any intel on the enhance version.
Interested to hear any intel on the enhance version.
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Oh look, another one thats been fed the tighter/longer/bigger am bestest 4 ur sn1p3rz bull shit on other forums and believed it :frankm24 said:
what ever RICHARD LIPS
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Please elaborate.vindicareassassin said:Oh look, another one thats been fed the tighter/longer/bigger am bestest 4 ur sn1p3rz bull shit on other forums and believed it :frankm24 said:
Sure..... you must of missed this bit, when you read my DMR guidesilentfury214 said:Please elaborate.vindicareassassin said:Oh look, another one thats been fed the tighter/longer/bigger am bestest 4 ur sn1p3rz bull shit on other forums and believed it :
......."The barrel, most noobs and a suprising amount of not so noobs are under the tighter and longer is king type spell, well sad to say its total bull shit! It has long been accepted in the spring powered bolt action world that anything over 509mm is pointless and actually causes the rifle to be less accurate, and that the VSR performs best with a barrel between 430mm and 480mm. It is also considered widely that an AEGs can be accurate with a barrel as short as 363mm.
While we are considering barrels its also worth thinking about the bore size, most people believe the tighter it is the more accurate it is, if this is so why are most VSR users moving to 6.05mm bore barrels as they are more accurate than a 6.01? And why are some major Japanese companies starting to advertise 6.08mm barrels as their accuracy barrels?"
Plus theres a rough explanation on X-fires site as to why, plus if you search the tech sec here, IIRC 2echo did a comparison test and it showed a 6.08 was more accurate than his TBB.
My mistake it was sticks13
All the barrel needs to be is perfectly straight and clean, the tighter bit just gives you extra fps, it really is that simple
A TBB will tighten your grouping at shorter ranges but at long range, ie where we operate, there are so many other forces at work on the BB how tight your barrel was has got very little to do with if the target gets hit or not.
A TBB will enable you to use a slightly softer spring for any given power output, but then throw in differing sizes of BB etc and some times its questionable as to if it makes or breaks your accuracy, where as a 6.08 there are no such issues, the BB is cushioned on 7/8ths of its diameter the rest is running down the nice straight barrel top
Hence, my current project is a SOCOM II M14 DMR for CQB work it will be fitted with a 363mm x 6.08mm barrel
I was meaning more towards the guy who posted the comment, but OK.
Sorry chap , thought you were talking to me :-[silentfury214 said:I was meaning more towards the guy who posted the comment, but OK.
Still, thats him educated and you and everyone else reading this re-educated
I have a proven methodology, and working knowledge based on a good understanding of the physics involved, valid compiled data, and real world application providing well founded results.vindicareassassin said:Sure..... you must of missed this bit, when you read my DMR guidesilentfury214 said:
"The barrel, most noobs and a suprising amount of not so noobs are under the tighter and longer is king type spell, well sad to say its total bull shit! It has long been accepted in the spring powered bolt action world that anything over 509mm is pointless and actually causes the rifle to be less accurate, and that the VSR performs best with a barrel between 430mm and 480mm. It is also considered widely that an AEGs can be accurate with a barrel as short as 363mm.
While we are considering barrels its also worth thinking about the bore size, most people believe the tighter it is the more accurate it is, if this is so why are most VSR users moving to 6.05mm bore barrels as they are more accurate than a 6.01? And why are some major Japanese companies starting to advertise 6.08mm barrels as their accuracy barrels?"
Plus theres a rough explanation on X-fires site as to why, plus if you search the tech sec here, IIRC 2echo did a comparison test and it showed a 6.08 was more accurate than his TBB.![]()
My mistake it was sticks13
All the barrel needs to be is perfectly straight and clean, the tighter bit just gives you extra fps, it really is that simple
A TBB will tighten your grouping at shorter ranges but at long range, ie where we operate, there are so many other forces at work on the BB how tight your barrel was has got very little to do with if the target gets hit or not.
A TBB will enable you to use a slightly softer spring for any given power output, but then throw in differing sizes of BB etc and some times its questionable as to if it makes or breaks your accuracy, where as a 6.08 there are no such issues, the BB is cushioned on 7/8ths of its diameter the rest is running down the nice straight barrel top
Hence, my current project is a SOCOM II M14 DMR for CQB work it will be fitted with a 363mm x 6.08mm barrel
I must express my own assessment on your comment stating "that a tight bore barrel does not increase your accuracy" is unfortunately mis-founded and is based on limited testing with a few select tightbore barrels and BB selection for test criteria.
As the proven physics behind scientific principles never change, therefore all other variables must be taken into account.
In most cases when the installation of a tight bore barrel produces a degraded result in accuracy, then there are most often other contributing factors resulting from improper tuning such as: air leaks, an inconsistent variation in fps between shots, improper BB selection, even a improperly broken in TB barrel, or flawed TB barrel that could most likely be culprit to equating in flawed results.
I must admit that as a precision marksman myself, it has taken a lot of patience with countless trial and error testing to come to the conclusion of establishing an adequate acceptable benchmark to base an airsoft guns achievable performance upon, but I feel that I have done so accordingly after years of experimentation with a multitude of products and the ability to produce repetitive & consistent results after adapting well founded practice methods.
The idea of using polishing wax to increase the accuracy of a 6.08mm stock bore barrel is not a new practice at all, and actually has been a less common known trade secret for years among fellow air-smiths alike. Although, this is a cheap non-permanent alternative for the budget airsoft marksman, it actually does help with filling the surface voids that are so commonly found in lesser quality barrels.
The concept is much less practical for achieving sustained & repetitive results, as there is no exact science to establishing a true run-out tolerance throughout the inner barrels surface by using wax and results will vary considerably from each application.
I do agree with your assessment, that with farther ranged shots the tightbore has a much less effect than it will at 100' on a conventional airsoft setup that uses a hop-up, and other factors come into play such as thorough BB selection and environmental variables.
The most accurate airsoft sniper rifle ever produced, was produced by Mike Aceves of Right Hook Fabrications utilized a 6.01mm tightbore barrel, and the gun consistently produced sub 5" groups at 85 meters (92 yards or 278 ft).
Most Airsoft Snipers make the common mistake of trying to apply that of which defines marksman precision in real firearms to their airsoft gun and unfortunately most will end up greatly discouraged by doing so.
With a precision target rifle, shots are primarily made from fixed controlled positions. To a combat shooter; sniper, or otherwise that concept is mute in most cases on the battle field while under fire and all shots are intended for man size targets of acquisition rather than small fixed position targets. When applying combat shooting practices to airsoft, most players will find their success rate of target engagement hits will greatly increase as will their effective range regardless of how much they spend on upgrades. A confident well versed shooter is what makes a rifle great, not the rifle that make great shooters...
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