[AlexTR2N]

Hi all,

So, a week ago I finally received an AA hop up chamber, and made my VSR as perfect as possible.

And yesterday I went for a game to test it, aaand - it was a disaster.

The gun itself works perfect, but I realized how useless becomes all it advantages, when you are fighting in a dense forest with high grass (~30cm) and bushes.

In this condition you are capable to spot the enemy, only at 40-50m max, and that is a distance, when their AEGs are already capable to hit you.

During the shotout there is also no advantage in accuracy, since every tiny piece of grass or stick are changing BB trajectory dramatically. I always had to stay prone to stay invisible, but due to the high grass I didnt have a good view and was not capable to make an adequate shot.

So, do you have any advices how to fight with bolt action rifle in such conditions? Does it really make a sense, or next time it would be better to take an AEG for this?

 

[SiliconeSword]

This would definitely be an AEG type situation, unless you want to camp at some good spots

 

[1tonne]

Dense bush is normally better with AEG's. But you could make a ghillie and use a silent pistol.

 

[SHEED]

Had exact same issue a game just gone, my sidearm got more use than my primary.

Try to get on the defending team if you can that way you can set up ambushes - silent pistol and some way of concealing. If you're attacking move slow and be on the constant lookout. You want to see them before they see you.

 

[Plazmaburn]

In your case a quiet AEG or HPA would be far better for you. There is a long list of reasons I pack a P90 (usually) with me when I am sniping.

 

[AsianGuy]

@Plazmaburn

Slight off topic, what's your P90 Mag set up? I use the Mag 170rd, supposedly they are great based on forums/reddit, but any bb load beyond 80ish rounds and it has very inconsistent fire (from 1.3J to .3J). My guess is the mag spring is pushing too much load into the nozzle but have yet been able to diagnosis it

 

[philbegas]

For the exact reason you stated, using an airsoft sniper can be a huge annoyance in the forest. I spent a bunch of money upgrading a UTG type 96 and found out the hard way as you did. When I realized my problem I sold it and bought a SVD AEG to use as a DMR. Still the potential for longer range than a regular shorty AEG, and a larger cylinder for more air volume.

If you know the field well, you can try to run for the same spot/area every time. Some fields allow you to climb in the trees which can be nice vantage points for a sniper above the foliage. When I did snipe successfully with a bolt action, it was because I was extremely patient and slithered into a spot where I had found there was a 1x1 ft square view with no foliage that allowed me to snipe quietly into some of the enemy's key paths, while still being able to remain hidden fairly far away.

 

[Plazmaburn]

@Plazmaburn

Slight off topic, what's your P90 Mag set up? I use the Mag 170rd, supposedly they are great based on forums/reddit, but any bb load beyond 80ish rounds and it has very inconsistent fire (from 1.3J to .3J). My guess is the mag spring is pushing too much load into the nozzle but have yet been able to diagnosis it

I use the MAG 170s. I did some deep digging for info on mags, the MAG ones are indeed the best, however the springs in them are beasts. I have read numerous posts about cutting them down. I have not done so as I have not had that issue.

How old are your mags?

Is your mag catch the stock one?

 

[AsianGuy]

I use the MAG 170s. I did some deep digging for info on mags, the MAG ones are indeed the best, however the springs in them are beasts. I have read numerous posts about cutting them down. I have not done so as I have not had that issue.

How old are your mags?

Is your mag catch the stock one?

The "MAG" mags are maybe 4 months old and purchased from redwolfairsoft (if that latter bit is important)

I am still running the stock mag catch. As an aside, the OEM mag that came with the P90 feeds perfectly fine, but it's capacity is only 65 bbs

I'm using the cybergun (cyma) P90 with an upgraded PDI barrel, MRhop 60 bucking, and angel custom hopup (the OEM hop up snapped in half when I was disassembling it to install a mosfet). I currently run a 11.1v titan power lipo and a gate warfet mosfet on it.

The spring were definitely stiff on the "MAG" mags when I first got them. I've never read anything about cutting the spring, but doing that is a point of no return - so I'd like to exhaust all other options being going down that route. I've kept the mags loaded for 6 weeks and the functional bb capacity has gotten marginally better (maybe 60ish when I first got them to 80ish now). Beyond ~80bbs my P90 consistency is next to nil (one shot could be 1.3j and the next .3j). After the Mags get down below 80 bbs, it feeds fine (1.3j to 1.32j) like the OEM ones

 

[Plazmaburn]

The MAG springs are tough and last a long time. All of mine had 2 springs in them. Ill open one up and see if I actually did anything with them or not.

My p90 is the echo1 version, the E90. So it had some feeding problems which stem from the mag release. Which i swapped it to the laylax one and it fixed the issue.

Could be a difference between the cybergun and jg/e1/whoever. Never messed with the cybergun model.

 

[AsianGuy]

The MAG springs are tough and last a long time. All of mine had 2 springs in them. Ill open one up and see if I actually did anything with them or not.

My p90 is the echo1 version, the E90. So it had some feeding problems which stem from the mag release. Which i swapped it to the laylax one and it fixed the issue.

Could be a difference between the cybergun and jg/e1/whoever. Never messed with the cybergun model.

As far as I can tell, cybergun’s business is to buy up real steel gun manufacturer licenses and then “lease” them to airsoft manufacturers. From all my research, my trademarked (which isn’t even the right trademarks as compared to the real steel – but I digress) P90 was OEM by cyma because of various components similarities.

I never opened up the MAG mags, but from what I can tell visually through the transparent mag, I only have one spring. I guess it’s possible they redesigned it, but I’ve never encounter a double spring system, so even the idea of that sounds a little strange. Just to confirm, your P90 never had feeding issues even at 170 bb fill?

As far as the mag catch, I just check the P90, there is no wobble or play with mag and p90 interface. Alignment is questionable because I was never able to see how it was positioned with the OEM hopup and don’t have one to compare to the new metal one. Was there some sort of indication for you that made you realize it was the mag catch? I had considered 3D printing one strictly to get a larger grasping area

 

[Plazmaburn]

I do not get the full 170 in mine, mine stops at about 140 or so due to the springs taking up so much room. Ill take my new one apart over the weekend and send you a PM about it. I doubt they changed it. You can't tell just by looking that its double springed.

Mine had inconsistent feeding all the time, no matter what magazine I used. Tried different hopup units, nozzles, managed to find a spring for the tappet plate that was stronger that would fit, different tappet. Then I dont know what possessed me to try pushing the mag down but once I tried that it fixed the feeding.

I was planning to swap to the laylax one anyway, it just so happens that it pushes the mag down further. So it solved the problem on mine.

EDIT: I did think of designing a new latch for it to print, then I looked at the part, laughed and bought the laylax one. Which reminds me, need to order the 1 point sling for mine.

LayLax Custom P90 Enhanced Magazine Catch

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[AsianGuy]

@Plazmaburn

I appreciate the extra effort!

Visually it really does seem like it's just one spring from the outside. I was looking at my MAG mag for the P90, and I’m not sure how to open them up. There seems to be a slide plate on the flat end (opposite the loading side) of the mag - but the “screw” that’s in there appears to be a non removable plastic rivet? I don't want to dig that out only to realize I just opened another can of worms

Before crossing your post, I assumed maybe it was a nozzle issue (mag spring too strong where by pushing the nozzle out of alignment - similar to midcap syndrome on m4) I’ve considered gutting the gearbox and replacing all the parts. While it isn’t that expensive or time consuming, it’s more that empty feeling you get knowing you tech’ed out your gun and still couldn't solve the issue you were trying to tackle in the first place.

I was going to modify the magazine catch with this:

P90 mag catch replacement by GTeck

I have this Jing Gong P90 for almost 10 years now, and never had a problem with it. The internal has been heavily upgraded but the outer body suffered from time. The magasin catch ended up breaking in the middle of a game, and spare parts are hard to find or expensive. (Marui parts are the only...

www.thingiverse.com

 

[AlexTR2N]

Thanks to everyone, last 2 games I played with my "new project" SR25 that Im trying to build from M4. (114 ms, 0.36 bbs, semi auto only) and it was awesome.
Much handy and convenient in the field, while it is still capable to reach 75m targets.

 

[Crius]

@AlexTR
You have to carry a secondary weapon (accurate, stealthy pistol or small AEG) for these circumstances.

So, do you have any advices how to fight with bolt action rifle in such conditions?

Of course you can fight with your rifle at 40-50m if you meet these conditions:
1) You detect enemy before he does.
2) You are undetected.
3) Enemy didn't locate you after your first shot.
4) Stay calm, observe enemy's reactions and move accordingly.

You need excellent environment blending (camouflage: ghillie, ordinary camo uniform won't work as the distances in airsoft are extremely small), good hiding place, stay still, be calm, shot, observe enemy and relocate. Repeat...