[Tag2001cA]

Hello! I have decided to put some money aside to build an HPA rig suitable for my G96. the help i am looking for is feedback and answers to some of the questions I have. Feel free to drop some feedback in the comments!

1. The Tank I am using is a Ninja 4500 PSI HPA tank.

2. The Regulator I am looking at is either Palmers micro rock, or a Ninja LPR system regulator. Which one do you guy's think is better with the tank I am getting? the price difference is about $30. Which one is better for the 4500 psi tank?

Below is the Ninja:

Below is Palmers:
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3. The line i will be running is Amped's "Flexi line"

4. Final, I have one question that might sound very silly, but what is the nipple piece i screw into the tapped magazine called? I cant't seem to find it. something like quick release male end ?
Feel free to comment if I left anything out!

 

[Dimitri MdP]

If you're set in a big tank + amped line, then probably your best option is Wolverine's STORM onTank regulator. It works great and will be a much more streamlined setup than a Palmer or a Firebase.

The connectors you need for the mags are normally called quick disconnect nipples or quick disconnect plugs. In your place I would just ask Amped about it and buy everything from them, they are probably the most knowledgeable store in the US when it comes to HPA setups.

 

[Reliku]

I can personally vouch for palmer, their regulators are really good, and you also get the option to run on CO2. The pressure consistency is amazing :yup:

Not sure which regulator you're after though. The link you posted points to a school schedule :shrug:

 

[Entropy]

Firebase is antiquated, use an SFR or STORM instead.

 

[Plazmaburn]

If you are looking at the palmers, this is the one you should get, not the micro rock.
https://palmerspursuit.com/collecti...ucts/female-stabilizer-regulator-low-pressure

The ones used primarily in airsoft are Foster Series 2 connectors. They use 1/8 NPT. If you need a nipple I have some and I can send you one if needed.

As for the other HPA regs, damn near all of them will give you roughly the same performance in a sniper rifle.

 

[Tag2001cA]

I can personally vouch for palmer, their regulators are really good, and you also get the option to run on CO2. The pressure consistency is amazing :yup:

Not sure which regulator you're after though. The link you posted points to a school schedule :shrug:

I would be using a low pressure regulator to drop it to about 80-110 psi correct? Also, does this look like an appropriate regulator ?

 

[Tag2001cA]

If you are looking at the palmers, this is the one you should get, not the micro rock.
https://palmerspursuit.com/collecti...ucts/female-stabilizer-regulator-low-pressure

The ones used primarily in airsoft are Foster Series 2 connectors. They use 1/8 NPT. If you need a nipple I have some and I can send you one if needed.

As for the other HPA regs, damn near all of them will give you roughly the same performance in a sniper rifle.

Ok thanks. Big thanks to all of you guys! Now I should be able to set this up with ease

 

[Plazmaburn]

While I generally opt for HPA, I have come to appreciate the use of CO2 in sniper rifles. Generally more compact and can be contained to only the rifle. Not needing to worry about a hose. Give me the ability to ditch my rifle in a pinch if I have to.

 

[Dimitri MdP]

The Firebase regulator is just a rebranded Ninja. So yes, the Ninja would do.

About all of the mentioned regs so far, it's true that the best now are the SFR and STORM. Ninja / Firebase and specially Palmer's are old and older designs, that doesn't provide adequate refresh rate for those modern ridiculously high RoF full auto HPA builds.
But of course, you don't need such thing for a BASR. So any of those would do.

In fact, you can even get away with an industrial regulator, as the SLP one that Amped sells. That's also probably the cheaper route, but that doesn't make it any worse (or better) than any of the others in a basr. Bear in mind that you'd need a SLP tank to use it with though.

The problem with all of those reg but the STORM is that they fit off-centre of the tank, so they quickly become a major league PITA to carry. That's why I would choose the STORM.

Well, not really. If it was my choice, I would totally go for a Mancraft's MARS and use 12g CO2 cartridges hidden inside the stock, for a more streamlined setup. And probably go even further, permanently attaching the gas part of the mag to the receiver, and using bb "sticks" to feed it, eliminating the need for extra mags, and hiding any sign of a HPA/CO2 rig

 

[Tag2001cA]

The Firebase regulator is just a rebranded Ninja. So yes, the Ninja would do.

About all of the mentioned regs so far, it's true that the best now are the SFR and STORM. Ninja / Firebase and specially Palmer's are old and older designs, that doesn't provide adequate refresh rate for those modern ridiculously high RoF full auto HPA builds.
But of course, you don't need such thing for a BASR. So any of those would do.

In fact, you can even get away with an industrial regulator, as the SLP one that Amped sells. That's also probably the cheaper route, but that doesn't make it any worse (or better) than any of the others in a basr. Bear in mind that you'd need a SLP tank to use it with though.

The problem with all of those reg but the STORM is that they fit off-centre of the tank, so they quickly become a major league PITA to carry. That's why I would choose the STORM.

Well, not really. If it was my choice, I would totally go for a Mancraft's MARS and use 12g CO2 cartridges hidden inside the stock, for a more streamlined setup. And probably go even further, permanently attaching the gas part of the mag to the receiver, and using bb "sticks" to feed it, eliminating the need for extra mags, and hiding any sign of a HPA/CO2 rig

What's a bb stick? Thanks for the response explaining the differences.

 

[Reliku]

I'd opt for the palmer over the mancraft reg though. I've seen pretty mixed results with the mancraft and I doubt it will handle CO2 all that well, while the palmer is specifically designed for it. No need for expansion chambers, no CO2 bypassing, and super consistent.

If you're going with HPA then it won't make too much of a difference though.

 

[Dimitri MdP]

Reliku I think you're talking about old gen Mancraft regulators.. that are pretty much the same internal design as a Palmer.

The newest one, "MARS", has integrated anti-siphon and expansion chambers, so no liquid CO2 can pass through as it would in old-gens or palmer's.

What's a bb stick?

I borrowing your own pic for that one

My personal build would be to permanently attach the gas container part of the magazine to the receiver, tapping it for the Mancraft MARS CO2 adaptor+regulator in a hidden way.

Then make a simple system to reload changing only the bb feeding part of the magazine. It will require modding and even getting / printing / DIY some spares feed sticks, but the results are worth it.

No need for extra mags (a lot of saved $$$, less weight, etc), and a perfectly consistent CO2 setup without having to carry a tank, no visible line at all, and not having to disconnect and reconnect the line between reloads.

 

[Reliku]

Reliku I think you're talking about old gen Mancraft regulators.. that are pretty much the same internal design as a Palmer.

The newest one, "MARS", has integrated anti-siphon and expansion chambers, so no liquid CO2 can pass through as it would in old-gens or palmer's.

I have no experience with the MARS regulator but the old mancraft ones were pretty crappy. The palmer however... liquid CO2 bypass? Those things are made for CO2 specifically! I have never read about such issues with a palmer, and I've never experienced them myself either. I don't know how the MARS regulator handles it, but I am still going to recommend the palmer because it is tried & proven, amazingly consistent and zero problems with CO2 whatsoever.

Maybe you're confused with some other regulator? The palmer regulators are just about the best one you can get when it comes to CO2 in my opinion :shrug:

When it comes to HPA it's a different story... but for CO2, palmer all the way.

 

[Dimitri MdP]

Maybe you're confused with some other regulator?

Nope. I've used those suckers for 10+ years. They work decently well.. but it's an archaic design by now. 3 generations of regulators have passed between them and the current models. Sure, they won't freaking explode if you put direct CO2 to them, but they can really let a lot of liquid pass through. And I mean a lot.
Only reason people are still buying them is because... guides written 5 or 10 years ago recommend them. Just like why people are still buying M700 to begin with.

Nowadays considering anything but MARS and WRAITH + STORM for a CO2 setup is just bogus.

 

[Nuclear]

Nowadays considering anything but MARS and WRAITH + STORM for a CO2 setup is just bogus.

Or if using dual-reg, AKALMP and most of the last gen paintball reg like dye hyper (but you need a custom adapter since it's not using the standard ASA thread)

 

[Reliku]

CO2 bypass in the palmer? When did this happen? What was your configuration? You're the first person I've heard about having this issue. I haven't managed it in mine, and trust me, I've seriously put the thing to the test.

The fact that something is old does not mean it is bad. Many high tech devices use components made in the last century because they are tried, proven and reliable.

You're claiming a product that's not even three months old is leagues better and more reliable than a tried & proven one that's been around for decades. That's.... an unfounded statement to say the least.

 

[Dimitri MdP]

Well, to each his own I guess.

 

[Reliku]

Let's agree to disagree without further cluttering the thread :hehe: