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Top Down Center - it's a method of hop adjustment where you change the setting from directly above the hop unit, you can find it in some pistols and AEGs too.

TDC 2.0

Arguably the best TDC on the market. A must-have for every SSG out there!

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As for AEG DMR.......here we go, M180 spring and 5j.

Another monster DMR completed and breathing

Here is my latest DMR project completed . The base system is APS ASR-110D Guardian . May be the easiest replica to convert . Short description what was done : Stock 380 mm aluminum 6.04 mm barrel exchanged with 605 mm stainless steel 6.02 mm one. A 16" handguard extension from "Nuprol" installed...

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Holy moly, that's one overkill DMR. I have no patience of building something like that, I'd buy one if someone built it for me xD
Those accessories are whole another level of overkill...

 

[Swollen.D]

For the piston I'd recommend just adding weight to the stock one.

HPA is good, that'd let you get a cheap rifle and the barrel, bucking, and chamber.
I'd recommend the Wolverine BOLT, a 26/3000 tank, and whatever line and regulator. EPeS and the new Wolverine CAT5 regulators are supposed to be great, but they came out after I'd already bought a Polarstar MRS.

I would love to have M14 HPA DMR (with tank in stock built in, cordless), One that looks exactly like one from Arma 2 Dayz mod, but I've contacted Amped airsoft and they refused such build. I ain't a DIY type so won't be bothering, I had fare share of headaches with Aeg builds.

 

[SiliconeSword]

Well I happen to make min HPA tanks, so if you want one maybe a local tech could do the project

 

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Well I happen to make min HPA tanks, so if you want one maybe a local tech could do the project

How much would the entire M14 DMR HPA Cordless build cost including M14 itself. This M14 DMR OD Green here it looks near identical to one from Arma 2:

If it's possible and isn't terrible expensive I'd die a happy man xD

 

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Also what are your opinions about this Modify Hybrid 6.01mm 433mm barrel ?

 

[SiliconeSword]

Gun is 230-350

G&P M14 DMR Recon AEG (Foliage Green)

SKU GP-AEG054-RC-FG Item Weight (gram) 3760 Major Color Foliage Green Length 1040mm Barrel Length ~450mm Hop-up Adjustable Shooting Mode Semi/Fully Automatic Gearbox Type 7 AEG Motor G&P M120 DMR High Speed Motor AEG Power Source 8.4V 1200mAh

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G&P M14 DMR Recon Advanced Airsoft AEG Sniper Rifle (Package: Black / Gun Only)

Shop The G&P M14 DMR Recon is built like a tank with its solid metal barrel assembly and heavy duty polymer stock. The compact design of the Recon, when compared to a full size M14, allows the rifle to be fielded for long range engagements while still remaining compact enough to be used for room...

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Engine is 430-508

Wolverine Airsoft HYDRA Gen 2 HPA Airsoft Unit (Model: P90)

Shop The Wolverine Airsoft HYDRA: Gen. 2 utilizes our proprietary HYBRID open/closed bolt technology from the Inferno GEN 2. It functions and performs like our Inferno GEN 2, but with offset nozzles. The Hydra was the first out-of-the-box drop-in HPA engine for guns with offset nozzles. Convert...

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PolarStar F2 TM M14 Offset HPA Kit | HPA TM M14 | Semi Auto

Looking to update your M14 to HPA? This PolarStar F2 TM M14 Offset Kit for the TM M14 will allow you to have HPA performance in your Tokyo Marui M14!

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If you want one of my tanks, I charge $75, and a first and second stage regulator will be $25 and about $130.
I didn't add any other upgrades, but you're looking at $890-$1,088, but probably more after shipping and hop/barrel stuff.


For how much that barrel costs you're pretty close to getting a Lambda. I have made a two piece barrel and have used 2 from stock guns, and it is generally not a great design unless you do a really really good job. Idk why you wouldn't just make the whole thing out of steel though, as it's cheaper, better, and easier to do.

 

[Swollen.D]

Gun is 230-350

G&P M14 DMR Recon AEG (Foliage Green)

SKU GP-AEG054-RC-FG Item Weight (gram) 3760 Major Color Foliage Green Length 1040mm Barrel Length ~450mm Hop-up Adjustable Shooting Mode Semi/Fully Automatic Gearbox Type 7 AEG Motor G&P M120 DMR High Speed Motor AEG Power Source 8.4V 1200mAh

www.bunnyworkshop.com.hk

G&P M14 DMR Recon Advanced Airsoft AEG Sniper Rifle (Package: Black / Gun Only)

Shop The G&P M14 DMR Recon is built like a tank with its solid metal barrel assembly and heavy duty polymer stock. The compact design of the Recon, when compared to a full size M14, allows the rifle to be fielded for long range engagements while still remaining compact enough to be used for room...

www.evike.com

Engine is 430-508

Wolverine Airsoft HYDRA Gen 2 HPA Airsoft Unit (Model: P90)

Shop The Wolverine Airsoft HYDRA: Gen. 2 utilizes our proprietary HYBRID open/closed bolt technology from the Inferno GEN 2. It functions and performs like our Inferno GEN 2, but with offset nozzles. The Hydra was the first out-of-the-box drop-in HPA engine for guns with offset nozzles. Convert...

www.evike.com

PolarStar F2 TM M14 Offset HPA Kit | HPA TM M14 | Semi Auto

Looking to update your M14 to HPA? This PolarStar F2 TM M14 Offset Kit for the TM M14 will allow you to have HPA performance in your Tokyo Marui M14!

ampedairsoft.com

If you want one of my tanks, I charge $75, and a first and second stage regulator will be $25 and about $130.
I didn't add any other upgrades, but you're looking at $890-$1,088, but probably more after shipping and hop/barrel stuff.


For how much that barrel costs you're pretty close to getting a Lambda. I have made a two piece barrel and have used 2 from stock guns, and it is generally not a great design unless you do a really really good job. Idk why you wouldn't just make the whole thing out of steel though, as it's cheaper, better, and easier to do.

Much thanks for info, I will keep this in mind for future, I'll have to sell off current AEGs to afford it. So a descent build is around 1000$. I would instead use that Cyma one I've linked since it looks exatcly what I'm looking for, no offence but that G&P looks terrible.

As for why I asked about that Modify barrel is that, I went ahead and purchased second hand SSG10, It has upgraded Red AA HopUp, Autobot 70, Modify Hybrid 433mm 6.01mm Barrel and a M220 Spring. I was wondering if it's worth upgrading to 5.98 ESCWorks and 85 autobot.

 

[SiliconeSword]

Probably worth getting the Autobot 85* and the 5.98 barrel. You can put the Modify barrel in an AEG or something, but I'd use it until the 5.98 barrel shows up whenever that is.

 

[Sodium]

I've found 65g the perfect weight for your bbs.

At some point you should upgrade the trigger in there to mine tbh. Not selling here. I just know that with a 4j spring, your pull is gonna get scratchy af really fast without a preemptive solution. Especially with the novi setup.

The rifle you bought sounds pretty great. Throw a Masada arm in it and you're golden for a long time. If it has a modify barrel, I would try an X-range 70 deg bucking. They're made for eachother and I've heard the combination yields fantastic results. My current build will use one of those buckings.

The esc will probably only net you like 20 fps. Idk if its worth it.

 

[Swollen.D]

I've found 65g the perfect weight for your bbs.

At some point you should upgrade the trigger in there to mine tbh. Not selling here. I just know that with a 4j spring, your pull is gonna get scratchy af really fast without a preemptive solution. Especially with the novi setup.

The rifle you bought sounds pretty great. Throw a Masada arm in it and you're golden for a long time. If it has a modify barrel, I would try an X-range 70 deg bucking. They're made for eachother and I've heard the combination yields fantastic results. My current build will use one of those buckings.

The esc will probably only net you like 20 fps. Idk if its worth it.

Do you know of any good 65 gram pistons ?

As for modify x range, does it need barrel to be modified? Will it work well with AA hop up and masada arm ?

As for your trigger, will take it if you could offer a lovely discount for me 😉

 

[Sodium]

Do you know of any good 65 gram pistons ?

As for modify x range, does it need barrel to be modified? Will it work well with AA hop up and masada arm ?

As for your trigger, will take it if you could offer a lovely discount for me 😉

It'll work with the aa chamber and masada arm. The modify barrels are designed for the x-range, so their windows don't need to be modified. Other barrels like the esc would, bit I don't think the super tight barrel will do any better than the modify combo. I personally haven't run it yet, but it looks to be a really nice combo, and a pretty cheap experiment. If you're happy, you can save a bunch by not buying a new barrel.

The lightest setting on any of the weighted pistons should bring you close enough to the desired weight. Another option is getting something like a laylax piston and wrapping solder/electrical tape around it to get to yoir desired weight.

Haha it's not out for like 4 months anyways. Go play and get back to me if your ssg cylinder get's scratchy/you want a more premium feel

 

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It'll work with the aa chamber and masada arm. The modify barrels are designed for the x-range, so their windows don't need to be modified. Other barrels like the esc would, bit I don't think the super tight barrel will do any better than the modify combo.

The lightest setting on any of the weighted pistons should bring you close enough to the desired weight. Another option is getting something like a laylax piston and wrapping solder/electrical tape around it to get to yoir desired weight.

Haha it's not out for like 4 months anyways. Go play and get back to me if your ssg cylinder get's scratchy/you want a more premium feel

Cool, I'll keep an eye out for your trigger.
Guess I'm all good with a build for now, will have to grab modify x range, piston and then rapax hulk to complete it, got the rest.

 

[Sodium]

Cool, I'll keep an eye out for your trigger.
Guess I'm all good with a build for now, will have to grab modify x range, piston and then rapax hulk to complete it, got the rest.

Don't get a RAPAX HULK! Get an RMS 4j. Same power output, but the rms is wayyyy easier to install. Also the hulk/normal springs don't work with a lot of setups. Rms always work.

 

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Don't get a RAPAX HULK! Get an RMS 4j. Same power output, but the rms is wayyyy easier to install. Also the hulk/normal springs don't work with a lot of setups. Rms always work.

Thanks for heads up.

 

[TenshouYoku]

Rule of thumb: For every 1J you add you only get about 1.5x the maximum confident range (ie range you have high confidence the round will reach and hit the target at reasonable accuracy).

200m is pretty much impossible when even the Guiness record IIRC is 180m ish and that's like firing the thing with a hilarious amount of overhop AND a ton of luck. With airsoft 200m reasonable accuracy is unattainable if not simply for the fact that a breeze has more effect on however many power you have at that kind of range.

Also since you're at it......why not just HPA tap the thing? The stress to the parts would be insane, even assuming your rifle somehow handles 5J racking that thing is probably not the most fun experience you can get while HPA makes it far simpler.

 

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Rule of thumb: For every 1J you add you only get about 1.5x the maximum confident range (ie range you have high confidence the round will reach and hit the target at reasonable accuracy).

200m is pretty much impossible when even the Guiness record IIRC is 180m ish and that's like firing the thing with a hilarious amount of overhop AND a ton of luck. With airsoft 200m reasonable accuracy is unattainable if not simply for the fact that a breeze has more effect on however many power you have at that kind of range.

Also since you're at it......why not just HPA tap the thing? The stress to the parts would be insane, even assuming your rifle somehow handles 5J racking that thing is probably not the most fun experience you can get while HPA makes it far simpler.

Answer is simple. I can't afford HPA, Descent HPA build costs 1200$+ (As you can see it discussed in prevous comments).
I have bought used SSG10-A1 with Scope, accessories, Mags, BBs, M220 Spring, pre-upgraded with descent internals for 350$, all I need to do now is to invest 70$ worth of upgrades and the build is complete.
As for your concerns with 5j spring stressing the SSG10 don't worry about it, it comes stock with the gun. I doubt novritsch would offer 25 year warranty if he wasn't sure of his product.
And yes, I figued 200m shot is not possible with .49BBs, I'd be happy If I hit 110 - 130 meters at best, with this build.

 

[Jbrinker1]

Answer is simple. I can't afford HPA, Descent HPA build costs 1200$+ (As you can see it discussed in prevous comments).
I have bought used SSG10-A1 with Scope, accessories, Mags, BBs, M220 Spring, pre-upgraded with descent internals for 350$, all I need to do now is to invest 70$ worth of upgrades and the build is complete.
As for your concerns with 5j spring stressing the SSG10 don't worry about it, it comes stock with the gun. I doubt novritsch would offer 25 year warranty if he wasn't sure of his product.
And yes, I figued 200m shot is not possible with .49BBs, I'd be happy If I hit 110 - 130 meters at best, with this build.

You are on the right track. HPA BASR would make some sense to me in your application if you did not mind carrying a tank. With HPA (say ebolt, boltM, or mancraft SDiK) engine, you would not need as solid of base like the ssg10. You could get away with a cheaper base like well mb03, cyma vsr, or something similar for $100 or less. Drop in the HPA rig ($180 for SDiK) and silicon's tank and rig setup ($230). Then your barrel ($60), bucking ($10), nub ($20), and HU choice ($50). You are looking at around $550 for a light bolt pull, easy adjust FPS, and quieter over a spring setup. Also can short stroke bolt for super quick (almost dmr like) follow ups. See some of blind snipers gameplays. Installing and setting up the engine may be a bit more work, will cost more and the carrying of the tank is a bit more complicated/ cumbersome so there are some good pros and cons to both HPA and keeping it spring. At those power levels using a cheap base, HPA starts making more sense. Since you have a somewhat upgraded ssg10 already, it makes a little less sense. HPA is something to consider even just for the future.

 

[SiliconeSword]

Well to HPA a VSR-10 you're looking at much less than the M14.
BOLT - $305
HPA tank - $60
Regulator - $45-180
Line - $5-50
Add up the spring gun parts you would get and compare them, but the usability of the gun would be way better. You're looking at $415-$595 for the setup, but I you could pretty easily keep it sub $450 if you get these.

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@Jbrinker1 @SiliconeSword
Once again, thank you boys for input, but as I have said before, I not only hate the idea of running around with a tank and line like Pyro from TF2, but it is impossible to do so, the way we play & where we play doesn't allow it. I do consider HPA build with a Tank built inside the weapon stock, but then price jumps up.
Price aside, such a build requires heavy DIY involvement, equipment, knowledge, patience & a lot of funds which I do not have, nor do I have a local buddy or a local HPA workshop, all of us here have AEGs. All I can really do is import already made weapons / systems from the US. But the US being the first world, commissioning a custom build is expensive, no one's gonna build a system to my liking for just the price of items that go in the build, they would ask for at least 200$ for all the troubles. Now that you count in all the variables, you can see why I can't possibly get an HPA build. It is an issue of "Can't" more than it is of "Want". Aaand even if I would go as far to manage all this in some magical universe, bolty is kinda a waste to me, might as well get a Semi for a bit more.

 

[SiliconeSword]

With one of my 6 inch tanks you'd spend $15 more on the tank and another $25 to buy a first stage regulator, and the regulator I listed you'd be able to get that all for $450, and it would completely fit in your gun.

I suggest you use your SSG10 a while, but do keep HPA in mind. If you got the Mancraft SDiK instead, you'd be able to get a full HPA loadout with my mini tanks for $313, which is pretty dang competitive if you add on a cheap base gun and some minor modifications.

As for ease of installation, doing this would require little to no skill, and a drill or Dremel at most, and there's plenty of good info on YouTube to help you out.