[mroverkill]

Alright, I'm currently saving up for a Kokusai Crimebuster, for those of you who don't know what that is, it's a classic airsoft NBB, incredibly efficient and consistent setup. When Booster tunes them they are accurate out past 350' at 550 FPS (.2 chrono, .4 in operation) and reports have been made of out past 450'.
In the following loadout I have organized everything that I think I will need and have found the items I think best fit my needs. I know that this loadout is basically overkill, but I think the name speaks to my view on that. If you guys could just go over the practicality of this and shoot me down if I am wrong I would be much abliged.

On to the good stuff:

It is an HPA gun, so I'll be using a Crossfire tank:
http://www.crossfireinc.com/products.asp?cat=29

Reg system will be bought from Austinwolv on the classicairsoft forums, very reliable two reg system, might ask for a valved main reg to depressurize the system after use.
http://classicairsoft.org/forum/showthread.php?9002-WTS-Pre-assembled-dual-reg-gas-rigs

Grimlocs to hold lines to web gear:
http://www.tripleaughtdesign.com/Equipment/Clips/Grimloc-Carabiner

Two 90 degree panels to rotate tank pouch across lower back rather that directly up the back (lower profile): http://www.tacticaltailor.com/90degreepanel.aspx

Frag pouch to hold Secondary regulator: http://www.diamondbacktactical.com/product/Diamondback-Tacticalreg-Frag-Grenade-Pouch-Single,225,49.htm

Pouches to carry 3-4 mags:
http://www.octactical.com/ar20rndmag.html

PALS weapons catch (DBT if possible)

Pouches for two MP9 mags:
http://www.usgruntgear.com/hksubgunmodo.html

Throat Mic:
http://www.soundrite.biz/headset/nt3blkops2-description.html
(already have motorola Talkabouts for radio, need radio pouch)

The vest this will all be on:
http://www.grtgear.com/Products/GrandRiverTacticalVestSystems/LBV3/

This will all go over a ghillie (homemade over this summer) with jute/burlap tied into the molle and hairbands/rubber bands to tie in natural veg. This is where I am a little concerned. How do you guys think it will work running a vest over a ghillie, should I just ghillie up the arms and a little on the sides, leaving the middle open for the vest, or should I make a full crawl suit and just put the vest on over the jute?

The other thing is, if I'm going to sling the rifle at all, I will have to use a single point, as the forward sling mount isn't very strong. How will this work with transitioning to my planned secondary (KWA MP9R)? Should I plan on only using the MP9 when pinned down and unable to get out, in which case I wouldn't need a sling for the Crimebuster and the plan for engagement would be to drop the rifle, pull the MP9 off the weapons catch, and fire. If I got a single point sling, I could fire the MP9 while extracting, although that might not even work. What do you guys think?

Thanks for your help.
Sam

 

[woogie]

You may run into some trouble when you need to draw out a mag or something like that, if you run your chest rig on top of your ghillie.

If you can keep all of your gear under the ghillie, you should be fine. I usually run a drop leg, or a serpa on my belt, to hold my pistol. That way you can still have the ghillie covering your "extras"

Probably the best thing to do is to get the rig, and then to run it for a while and see what you think. Because everyone is going to feel differently about how to wear their ghillie and gear. Trial and error.

The more you use the set up, try different placements and see what happens.

 

[mroverkill]

what kind of problems do you foresee? If you think I'd have a hard time getting to the mags, how would putting them under a ghillie fix that?

 

[toomanybbs]

That is a great vest/backpack you found. I wear a molle belt and lying prone I have no trouble getting to mags. One question: are you wearing a ghillie suit because how would you get inside to the pouches?

 

[mroverkill]

I would be wearing the ghillie (BDU based) and then on top of that the vest with jute/burlap/real veg. in the Molle, I would just have to pull up the material around the pouch if I wanted to remove the contents. I would probably wrap my MP9 as well, just to keep everything camouflaged.

 

[toomanybbs]

U should cut a piece of netting the size of the backpack, ghillie it up, then attach it over your back pack using wire or something that allows you to remove it easily. Thats what I would do. I know plenty about the potential power of Hpa rigs but 450' seems just a little too much.

Fix for your sling dilemma:
http://www.airsoftgi.com/product_info.php?cPath=28_95_179&products_id=938
If you have to infiltrate a building ur gonna be screwd with a 1 point. Also with a 1 point the weight of the gun is gonna be put only on your shoulders/neck area. I understand the gun isn't 2010/2011 build quality, this probbaly means its going to be heavy(possibly not using aluminium?). So your going to want more than 1 attachment.

 

[mroverkill]

no, it uses aluminum, that's the problem. The whole front end is attached very weakly with a small machine screw into the aluminum receiver. Why do you say I'd be screwed entering a building?

Also, 450' isn't much of an exaggeration. As I say, there have been reports of that kind of accuracy. The common standard is 350' at least, with 450 being shown in a couple different examples.

 

[Cheese Man]

You would need an fps that is WAAAAAY above field legal.

 

[toomanybbs]

Well When entering a building with a single point and your not able to wrap the rifle around your body because of your gear and you have to extract your pistol from your holster, the rifle will bounce in the genital aea and sprinting would be a pain. With a 3 point or a 2-point like the Irene sling you can tighten it tou your body.

 

[mroverkill]

Cheese man:

My friend, Sniperwoosh, is. He actually out guns me with his Booster Crimebuster. Its a gas operated semi-auto that has some mad range and much more accuracy than I could dream of. He has confirmed one-shot kills at 450'. He had a serious elevation advantage but you should have seen the havoc we caused at Noob day. 2011, will be even better.

At Noob Day 2010, I was getting 350+ shots from an elevated position with bursts. Of course I was spotting for Sniperwoosh, with my Asahi M60. Woosh was one-shoting people at the same distance with his custom Kokusai Crimebuster. It was pretty impressive but having a height advantage is really fortunate.

Those were both made by Mateba, the first one in his thread "My spotter's rifle" and the second one in the "Your longest shot" thread.

Toomanybbs: The problem with a two point is that the entire front assembly is very weakly connected to the body. My problem is not if I should get a one or a two or a three point sling, it's if I should even bother with a one point at all.

 

[inthetallgrass]

What you should get, in my opinion is : A belt, harness, desired pouches and a belt Serpa/Fobus retention holster. Just put it on over the ghillie and put the jute over the gear to cover it. To stop the holster from sliding down when crawling use duct-tape or something. Oh and I prefer not to use a drop-leg as I find they impair movement, but that's probably because I buy cheap ones. Oh and lastly try keep your pouches to the side so you can crawl better and just use the Duct-tape.

 

[mroverkill]

The problem with using a fobus/serpa is that I don't think they make one for a MP9. The other problem with a belt is that I'm going to need hydration, and lots of it. I'm a 6' 220# guy who'll be crawling around in a ghillie in the Georgia summer (For those of you who don't know, that means 90+ degrees and 75%+ humidity). Just another thing, my dilemma with the sling is not to infiltrate buildings as there is only one that I would need to infiltrate at my field and it's pretty small, it's for if I get smoked out of my hide to cover my advance to the rear.

 

[fuzzywolly]

Cheese man:

My friend, Sniperwoosh, is. He actually out guns me with his Booster Crimebuster. Its a gas operated semi-auto that has some mad range and much more accuracy than I could dream of. He has confirmed one-shot kills at 450'. He had a serious elevation advantage but you should have seen the havoc we caused at Noob day. 2011, will be even better.

[quote:mm79j93h]At Noob Day 2010, I was getting 350+ shots from an elevated position with bursts. Of course I was spotting for Sniperwoosh, with my Asahi M60. Woosh was one-shoting people at the same distance with his custom Kokusai Crimebuster. It was pretty impressive but having a height advantage is really fortunate.

Those were both made by Mateba, the first one in his thread "My spotter's rifle" and the second one in the "Your longest shot" thread.
[/quote:mm79j93h]

Notice how the shooter had an elevation advantage. That is, he was up way higher and when shooting down, it really helps the bb go further than it would on a flat plain. The increased range was because of gravity, and this time, it was used to the shooter's advantage, rather than disadvantage. For instance, try taking a shot going uphill, rather than down hill. Huge difference..

The other problem with a belt is that I'm going to need hydration, and lots of it.

You can run a belt with a hydration carrier. That is what I did with my set up.

 

[Cheese Man]

Thanks fuzz.

For hydration - carry the water IN your ghillie - just suck it out of the burlap...

Kidding - leave an open patch on the back of the ghillie, and just put netting directly onto the carrier, or just wear it under the ghillie. I actually wear mine on my chest - it gives me some elevation when needed, and it's easier to drink that last bit of water when lying down.

 

[mroverkill]

Fuzzy, I realize those were with elevation, but notice that's 450' with elevation, numerous other owners on the classicairsoft forum have reported 350' flat range.


The main reason I posted this thread was to see if I was going to run into any problems with putting veg/jute on my gear. Since that question has been answered, I thank you all for the help.

Cheese Man. I'd say that in the Georgia heat I probably could do that.

 

[inthetallgrass]

Just wear your hydration bladder under your ghillie. Also, yeah I know what it's like to be a big guy in a ghillie running around in the heat. I'm 6'1" and I'm 15!

 

[mroverkill]

sorry to bring up this thread again, but I wanted to let you guys know about the theory I came up with to fix this problem.

Use Down Range Gear's ITW Nexus QASM mod: http://www.combatreadyusastore.com/itwnexusqasmquickattachsurfacemount.aspx

to connect a strip of netting the size of the vest to the vest. If I was going to roll as a DMR for a short game, I'd just unclip that and be good to go.