[pattonmaster]

So I am looking at getting my first airsoft sniper rifle. And I am trying to keep the cost low and still being able to upgrade and mod the gun to improve its performance. Also this will be the first airsoft gun that I will own personally so I know just enough to get in trouble.

Well Full Metal / Fake Wood MB07 Bolt Action Sniper Rifle Airsoft Gun

 

[1tonne]

Warning. Do not get it. The WELL VSR10's have a smaller cylinder and piston than a normal VSR and so they can be a pain in the backside to upgrade.
Get a Jing Gong Bar10. It is the best starter gun and it is also one of the best guns for an experienced player too.
I use a JG Bar10 G-Spec.

 

[Reliku]

While 1tonne is right I do tend to disagree with him.

The barrel group is completely VSR compatible, and since you ought to be upgrading that first anyway it shouldn't be an issue.

As for the cylinder group, yes, it's a different size. But there are still aftermarket pistons with great air seal and steel cylinders available, you will be able to get a 100% air seal just fine. They're not that expensive either (I believe something like 60-80 USD for a complete cylinder assembly).

The downside is that those are only sold in Europe for as far as I know, so if you live on the other side of the pond it would be inconvenient.

But if you don't mind getting those parts (which are fine, really), then the well VSR isn't that bad of a choice.

It's not 100% VSR compatible, so a BAR 10 will be better. But the WELL version isn't that bad, so I wouldn't say "don't get it". I would agree with the warning though that you can not fit a normal vsr sized cylinder in it.

 

[pattonmaster]

One question that I have, if I get the Bar-10 what upgrade's should I purchase first? I have read that the hop-up, barrel, and spring are somethings that should be upgraded quickly. And thanks for the help.

 

[Reliku]

That depends on personal preference. The accuracy and effective range is mostly affected by the barrel group (barrel, chamber, bucking). But some people upgrade the trigger right away to ensure it doesn't break. I wouldn't do that personally because the trigger is about the most expensive part, with $100 worth of upgrade parts you can be shooting beyond 80 yards relatively easy by upgrading the barrel group first. If you do upgrade the spring, it is advisable to upgrade the trigger as well, but generally that's the last upgrade you'll do.

Depending on the rifle you have, the stock trigger sears will last quite a while.

My WELL type 96 (MB01) is currently shooting 498 fps with the stock spring, so yeah... Stock trigger as well by the way.

My personal upgrade route is:

Quality bb's -> DIY mods -> bucking -> barrel -> chamber -> barrel spacers (everything up until this point can easily be had for $100)-> piston -> rest of cylinder -> trigger -> spring

 

[1tonne]

One other thing about the WELL is that since it has a smaller cylinder it is harder to get high fps and it is also not as good at pushing heavier bb's because of the smaller cylinder. But yes, there are parts out there for the WELL VSR10 but from what I have heard, the quality on them is not as good as the main stream brands such as PDI, Laylax and Action Army.

Regarding what parts you upgrade first is your choice. I tend to upgrade the trigger first as I always put in a bigger spring. I find that if you have high fps, the right length inner barrel and the right weight bb, you can get really good range and accuracy. Even if you use a stock 6.08mm inner barrel that is 430mm long and a m170 spring with 0.4gm bb's, you should be able to reach out and touch people at 75 meters often. Also, one really good thing about having a high fps rifle with heavy bb's is that over long ranges, the wind does not push the bb off course so much. So you could look at it that fps creates accuracy too.

So I guess it depends, you can get accuracy from upgrading the barrel/hopup group first but you can also do it by having a bigger spring, trigger and heavy bb.

The barrel group is really important though. If you do not upgrade it and you find the stock hopup chamber and inner barrel to work well, then I would suggest at least doing the Top Dead Centre mod so the bb can travel straighter.

 

[Reliku]

That's true, the cylinder is smaller, so you will need a bigger spring. But at the same time you can also use a shorter barrel.

75 meters just by using heavy bb's will be tricky though. Sure, you could get bb's that far out with 550 fps and .4g bb's, but having 75 meters as your effective range probably won't be happening with stock parts.

Unless you polish your barrel, shim your hopup, do a TDC mod (ought to be doing that anyway unless you have an AA chamber), etc etc all the other mods and tune it well, of course. But with just a lot of power it'd be more like you might or might not hit a man sized target at that range, stock parts aren't consistent enough for that :hehe:

Don't get me wrong, the bar 10 is indeed better, but the well vsr is not a bad option and still fully upgradeable. You could do much worse (an agm l96 for example :hehe

 

[1tonne]

Sorry to be going on like this. lol (I guess I am not a WELL VSR fan)
One more thing about the WELL VSR10 is that the cylinder is crap. It is crimped on at the back to hold it. This crimping does not work well with big springs.
The JG cylinder is built a lot stronger and can handle a M170 easily and I have even had an M190 in it for some length of time too.

 

[pattonmaster]

So I my idea is I'll upgrade to a M170 spring and because of that I should also need to get some better sears. I plan on doing the TDC, LRB and foam stock mod. Is there anything else that you guys would recommend mods or parts? And do you think that I should upgrade the barrel as well?

 

[Plazmaburn]

yep, skip the sears and go for a 90 degree setup.

 

[Reliku]

Sorry to be going on like this. lol (I guess I am not a WELL VSR fan)
One more thing about the WELL VSR10 is that the cylinder is crap. It is crimped on at the back to hold it. This crimping does not work well with big springs.
The JG cylinder is built a lot stronger and can handle a M170 easily and I have even had an M190 in it for some length of time too.

I'm not claiming the well vsr is a better gun than the bar 10, because it isn't. But I do think it's a very usable gun with the right parts

 

[1tonne]

I'm not claiming the well vsr is a better gun than the bar 10, because it isn't. But I do think it's a very usable gun with the right parts

I understand that. I would rather direct someone to a rifle that does not have these issues.

do you think that I should upgrade the barrel as well?

Get a 6.01 or 6.03mm barrel.