[Diamondrath]

Hello all

I've been thinking recently of what would be the ultimate 1J rifle in terms of parts and performance. Feel free to post any parts suggestions or mods that you feel would be appropriate for this build.

I've been thinking:
Base rifle : JG BAR 10
Barrel : EDGI or ML CJ
Trigger box and piston : EDGI or airsoftpro
Cylinder : Laylax teflon or AA teflon
Bucking : ML Super or Wonder:shrug:
Hop chamber : Action Army
Reciver : VSR-R

What do you guy's think? What kinda ranges do you think would be achievable? Keep in mind its only 1J

 

[Dimitri MdP]

1J and no creeping at all?

Get an TM VSR-10 and don't change a thing. No need to change the triggers, pistons, cylinders... nothing really. Not even hop chambers and accuracy parts, at such low power the OEM bucking is more than enough to accurately lift .28 / .30g bbs.

Maybe just toss in a ML Crazy Jet and 50* ML Decepticons bucking with a ML concave hop arm to squeeze every last bit of accuracy potential.

And use the spare money for ridiculously good bbs such as Maruzen Grand Master .29s

Realistic range should be 50 to 60 meters, with a max range at about 75m

 

[KillerDad]

1J and no creeping at all?

Get an TM VSR-10 and don't change a thing. No need to change the triggers, pistons, cylinders... nothing really. Not even hop chambers and accuracy parts, at such low power the OEM bucking is more than enough to accurately lift .28 / .30g bbs.

Maybe just toss in a ML Crazy Jet and 50* ML Decepticons bucking with a ML concave hop arm to squeeze every last bit of accuracy potential.

And use the spare money for ridiculously good bbs such as Maruzen Grand Master .29s

Realistic range should be 50 to 60 meters, with a max range at about 75m

i played a game with my tm when it was stock. All i did was regrease it and add teflon to the bucking. It shot really good with .28 bbs.

 

[mistermist]

For 1J I would simply seal everything up and as dmitriy said maybe change barrel, bucking and tdc it.

Ofc you can get 90 trigger with laylax spring (i really dig them) and some 90 degree piston, but it is more of a right to brag than an actually necessary upgrade at this power.

My idea is like this:

Keep stock trigger and cylinder for start, keep airbrake for silent shots.

Add sorbo for dampening.

Stuff stock with foam.

Shim spring to piston.

Seal up cyl. head, bucking

Make barrel spacers

Ml bucking with skees nub

Tdc or AA chamber

Probably CJ barrel, edgi if you have enough $$

Clean and regrease.

Note: for low power I would not go edgi piston as the material of the cup is pretty hard, not sure how it would seal up on low fps, in my opinion o ring would suit your needs better.

 

[Diamondrath]

Thanks everyone!!

I should clarify that the rifle im proposing is the absoulute best rifle possible, no matter the cost.

Note: for low power I would not go edgi piston as the material of the cup is pretty hard, not sure how it would seal up on low fps, in my opinion o ring would suit your needs better.

Intersting I thought the EDGI piston cups were pretty soft. Keep in mind ive never used one irl.

My current game rifle is a WELL MB02 with the following upgrades:
Airsoft pro Zero trigger set (I use stronger springs at home for target shooting)
Maple Leaf CJ 428mm barrel and Decepticons 50* rubber
Maple Leaf Concave nub
TDC
LRB
Foam filled stock

For the most part this rifle serves me well, but sometimes the bbs will just hook up from the bottom left instead of going straight. Any ideas?

 

[1tonne]

From what I have been able to tell there is no real golden setup for 1 joule rifles.
All you really need is a good inner barrel, a bucking that is installed correctly, a good air seal and the right weight bb.

I would advise these items:
-VSR10 G-Spec (Pretty much any brand should be able to get 1 joule)
-Crazy Jet Barrel 500mm
-Action Army Hopup (For good air seal)
-Maple Bucking with AEG spacer (You could easily just use a standard bucking)
-M110 spring (If it is a little hot then add a some weight to the piston until the spring has worn in)
-0.28gm-0.3gm bb's (Maybe 0.32gm)

It would be great if we could make an ultimate 1 joule rifle that shot very long distances (70-90 meters) and was accurate but at 1 joule there just is not enough power. At 1 joule I would expect a range of 50-60 meters. 70 meters may be doable but you would be aiming high or over hopping a lot and chances are even if you did get that range, the wind would have blown it off course by the time the bb gets there (Unless there is no wind of course).

 

[Diamondrath]

I do have a friend who (albeit on a AEG) has gotten a gun to shoot ~85m with 0.3 at 1J exactly.>
I can confirm this from shooting the gun.

He doesnt want to tell me how he did it at all though:shrug: I have a feeling its an er-hop behind this black magic, not sure though. No LRB on the gun.

 

[Dimitri MdP]

Well, is that 1J measured with .30g bbs (268 FPS) and the hop set to field level?

With all due respect, the reason your friend doesn't want to tell you is most likely because he's creeping like mad and he knows it.

I've made "330 FPS with .20" guns that's reached 85m, but I know damn well they were NOT truly 1J guns.

There's no cheating physics. Whatever-hop you toss in, the bb can only have so much lift to reach perfect trajectory before going over-hop and flying to the moon.

Really, I understand what your aiming at, but a 90* trigger and whatever "best parts" you toss in won't make any difference at all. So are they still best (o even "better") parts if you use them in a setup where they make literally no difference at all? I don't think so. That's why we all are recommending just sticking to a stock TM VSR-10

Best thing you can do is use a stock VSR, and maybe upgrade the hop parts to maple leaf to get a little better grouping ( not better max distance). You might be able to reach 75 meters, but engagements should be at about 50 to 60.

Remember you'll be shooting .30g bbs at 268 FPS, that's pitiful slow. Even if the air friction didn't slow it down, the bb will take a full second to reach 60m. Spoiler alert: air friction does slow the bb down. So at 60m it will take almost 3 seconds. Enough for the enemy to move out of the bb trajectory because he see it coming, or even unintentionally dodge it at normal walking speed

So your best bet is trying to make the gun extremely precise at about 50 meters, so you can shoot at barely exposed targets

 

[Diamondrath]

With all due respect, the reason your friend doesn't want to tell you is most likely because he's creeping like mad and he knows it.

I've made "330 FPS with .20" guns that's reached 85m, but I know damn well they were NOT truly 1J guns.

There's no cheating physics. Whatever-hop you toss in, the bb can only have so much lift to reach perfect trajectory before going over-hop and flying to the moon.

Completly agree with this, it baffled me when he showed it to me since im a bit of a math head and like all the physics stuff.

In my game rifle I usually use 0.25 or 0.28 depending on wind. If its windy ill use the 0.28's, but even then the flight time is horrible.

Side note: How good are the modify tan buckings and Nineball purple for 1 joule?